If you are thinking of getting the BUDS system, some things that I have found out.

[pitzerwm]

I bought the BUDS system last year from Powersports-diag.com. This guy has a US phone but is in Austria I think. Apparently, he is an authorized dealer for the company that actually created the BUDS system, which is used by a number of manufactures . I got the Roadster license, there are others available.

There recently has been talk about disabling the DESS module because of the problem not being fixed yet. This takes the MegaTech license which few if any CanAm dealers buy.

The Megatech license from Powersports-diag.com is $400E, there appears to be two other people selling the BUDS system, one being brpdiagnostics.com with a US address and phone #. The address appears to be a vacant field near Portland, OR. I emailed with this guy, that I think is actually in Australia. He sent me a one week trial Megatech license, but couldn't tell me how to install it. He more or less said that it worked for him figure it out. Price was to be $170USD for one year.

I then emailed diag-systems.com and they quicky responded and sent me a 1 week free trial of the Megatech license and the correct instructions on how to install it. It worked as expected and I could see how to deactivate the DESS module. Since I haven't had THE issue, I haven't decided to do it yet. Price $170USD for one year. Location of this one, I don't think is in the US, as their website has NO phone and no address. IP is from London, England

Other than the deactivation of DESS, the other things that you can do with the MegaTech is way over my head. You can reprogram the ECM, change the hours and the VIN# which I don't know why you would ever need to do that. I'm sure there are other stuff too.

So I hope this info helps.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

So Bill, do you have any idea what happens if the DESS MODULE and OR SYSTEM is De-Activated........Does the KEY then work like in the good old days ....turn it to ON....press start ......and BINGO off you go ???????........Thanks ......Mike

[cuznjohn]

also what plug did you use to plug into the bike

[pitzerwm]

So Bill, do you have any idea what happens if the DESS MODULE and OR SYSTEM is De-Activated........Does the KEY then work like in the good old days ....turn it to ON....press start ......and BINGO off you go ???????........Thanks ......Mike

Apparently the key works as expected, turn it on and push start.

also what plug did you use to plug into the bike

There is a plug just for the BUDS system on the left side looking from the front, under the black cover, near the coolant cap.

[pjb_Brisie]

"The Megatech license from Powersports-diag.com is $400E, there appears to be two other people selling the BUDS system, one being brpdiagnostics.com with a US address and phone #. The address appears to be a vacant field near Portland, OR. I emailed with this guy, that I think is actually in Australia. He sent me a one week trial Megatech license, but couldn't tell me how to install it. He more or less said that it worked for him figure it out. Price was to be $170USD for one year."

Just to clarify, you mentioned $170USD, is that the complete software package or is it just the on going lenience once you buy the complete package.?

Regards

Paul

[cuznjohn]

i meant how or what do you use to hook the bike to your personal computer on the bike. you would need a special cable

[PMK]

"The Megatech license from Powersports-diag.com is $400E, there appears to be two other people selling the BUDS system, one being brpdiagnostics.com with a US address and phone #. The address appears to be a vacant field near Portland, OR. I emailed with this guy, that I think is actually in Australia. He sent me a one week trial Megatech license, but couldn't tell me how to install it. He more or less said that it worked for him figure it out. Price was to be $170USD for one year."

Just to clarify, you mentioned $170USD, is that the complete software package or is it just the on going lenience once you buy the complete package.?

Regards

Paul

No, the cost to play requires you to purchase the MPI-2 or MPI-3 inteface, software and a megatech key. Depending upon where it is purchased you may get a bootleg copy or the real thing. The price to for admission is just at $1000 USD, and requires renewal fees on some of the software. The price of renewal fees varies also depending upon if you are getting a bootleg copy or the real deal.

Bill that started this post and I had some fun phone conversations over this. I had spoken with the person selling the equipment over a year ago, and still hesitated on purchasing.

Consider also that the Spyder is not the reason BUDS was created, the Spyder came along after the boats, sleds, outboards and 4 wheelers.

[Bob Denman]

This is all pretty neat information.
But my "Spyder-Senses" are tingling. I can't help but think about Pandora; and the box that she opened...

[trikermutha]

Yep you can turn off the DESS Anti Theft with the mega key..I have not done that yet but have the option.

[SpyderAnn01]

Bill the cable and software is necessary and the Austrian company cheaper option doesn't give you access to all of BUDS. Contact Jay at Power Spirts Disgnodtics in Canada they are legitimate sellers of BUDS but it will cost you. The cable alone is $750.

[SpyderAnn01]

Also you don't want to spend a nickel on the MPI-2 cable as that is the old style and BRP has gone to MPI-3.

[pitzerwm]

I already have the MPI2 as that was all that was available last year. I was told by the Austrian guy, who I think is also legit, that the MPI3 is "faster and more secure, no need to upgrade".

As others have said you need the interface which comes with the wiring to connect your computer and the bike. The BRP software is free, version 3.7.2.4 is the latest, but without the license/s you only get a demo to look at, it won't connect/talk with the bike. As far as some being bootleg, the Austrian guy did say that the other two are bootleg, however, when you get a license from them, it is for your interface module only and it expires. Most bootleg stuff has a key and its yours forever.

I was also told that our BRP is developing a BUDS2 for the 2017s and that our stuff won't work with it. Apparently in Europe a company can't lock out anyone from working on their stuff, so that will be available there. We have that here for cars, but apparently not for bikes.

[Bob Denman]

BUDS2?
Interesting...
Thanks!

[Mr. White]

I did not do well in the third grade so I need help.....What is DESS??

[Bob Denman]

Hi George,
That's the security system that BRP has put on these bikes.
It's why your keys have chips in them!

[JerryB]

Hi Mr. Cognac,

Re: What is DESS??

Based upon what I have been reading on this site, I 'think' it means: Disasbled - Especially Spyder Switches



Jerry Baumchen

[Bob Denman]

You're probably more correct, than we'd like you to be...

[pitzerwm]

Hi Mr. Cognac,

Re: What is DESS??

Based upon what I have been reading on this site, I 'think' it means: Disasbled - Especially Spyder Switches



Jerry Baumchen

Almost but not quite. It means: DIGITALLY ENCODED SECURITY SYSTEM which boils down to the part that reads the chipped key and tells the ECM so you can start the bike.

[Bob Denman]

BRP, DESS, DPS, VCM,ECM,VSS, GPS, HID, LED...
Did you ever find yourself wondering, if even THEY know what all of this means?

[PMK]

Dis-functional Electronic Security System = DESS in the failed mode

Dumbass Electronic Security System = DESS in the functioning mode

[Bob Denman]

Damn
Electronics
Stranded (me)!
S***!!

[Tango]

BRP, DESS, DPS, VCM,ECM,VSS, GPS, HID, LED...
Did you ever find yourself wondering, if even THEY know what all of this means?

Sounds like your naming HD models. Tom

[ruralgirl]

BRP, DESS, DPS, VCM,ECM,VSS, GPS, HID, LED...
Did you ever find yourself wondering, if even THEY know what all of this means?

I think they all have ADS.

[PMK]

Now we are having some fun making up acronyms for a serious problem. Humor in crisis...

Anyone else have a cool acronym for what DESS stands for in regards to the customer.

[JerryB]

Hi PMK,

Re: Humor in crisis...

If we cannot have a little fun now and then, why bother with life?



Jerry Baumchen