Push, Don't Pull

[wanderingman]

Prior to purchasing my Spyder I had been reading Spyderlovers for some time. As I have stated previously it has been very helpful. One of the items I read said that when turning the Spyder, push the handlebar opposite the direction of the turn rather than pulling the one from the direction of the turn. I post this now because maybe there are some others who are new like me, who will be helped by this. Although I must make a conscious effort to do this, when I do I find my turns, particularly on sweepers are MUCH smoother. It seems that if I pull my turns are not coordinated. When pushing your body automatically leans into the turn. I don't remember who was the original poster but it is good stuff. Thanks.

[PaladinLV]

I think you need to reread what you have typed and THNIK about it "opposite the direction".
You are talking about (what you typed) counter steering which does not exist on a three wheel vehicle.

AJ

Prior to purchasing my Spyder I had been reading Spyderlovers for some time. As I have stated previously it has been very helpful. One of the items I read said that when turning the Spyder, push the handlebar opposite the direction of the turn rather than pulling the one from the direction of the turn. I post this now because maybe there are some others who are new like me, who will be helped by this. Although I must make a conscious effort to do this, when I do I find my turns, particularly on sweepers are MUCH smoother. It seems that if I pull my turns are not coordinated. When pushing your body automatically leans into the turn. I don't remember who was the original poster but it is good stuff. Thanks.

[2Paw]

I think you need to reread what you have typed and THNIK about it "opposite the direction".
You are talking about (what you typed) counter steering which does not exist on a three wheel vehicle.

AJ

Maybe you should re-read and think. The way I read it is, he is saying if turning left push on the right-hand bar rather than pull on the left-hand bar, and the opposite if turning right. Here is what I know, one of us might be wrong.

[Chupaca]

You are referring to ...when going into a left turn dropping your right elbow to assist while pushing with your right arm and shoulder and the opposite for right hand turns you are right. it makes it so much easier and smoother....

[jaherbst]

Prior to purchasing my Spyder I had been reading Spyderlovers for some time. As I have stated previously it has been very helpful. One of the items I read said that when turning the Spyder, push the handlebar opposite the direction of the turn rather than pulling the one from the direction of the turn. I post this now because maybe there are some others who are new like me, who will be helped by this. Although I must make a conscious effort to do this, when I do I find my turns, particularly on sweepers are MUCH smoother. It seems that if I pull my turns are not coordinated. When pushing your body automatically leans into the turn. I don't remember who was the original poster but it is good stuff. Thanks.

You are very correct in this. It is not "counter steering" but simply-- if turning to the left push with a stiff arm on the right handle bar. Much less effort and your turns are much smoother. Vice versa when making a right turn push with a stiff arm on the left handle bar.

Harvey from Spyder Pops taught me this and it made a world of difference when riding the Spyder. It takes a little to learn this but it does work well. Of course pull a little on the handle bar in the direction of the turn. Most of the turning force is actually applied to the almost straight arm on the opposite side of the turn. You will be much more stable in the turn with no twitching. Momma will appreciate this!

Counter Steering as we used in my younger days of racing is much different. As you lean forward, transfer weight forward lean into and "kiss" the mirror in the direction of the turn a little counter steering is used to offset the natural tendency of a two wheel leaner to dive into and increase the turn even more. A little counter steering in the opposite direction will over come this. You would never use a stiff arm here!

You can take this to the Bank. Thanks Harvey!

Jack

[ARtraveler]

They got you covered. Counter steering is turning the handlebars in the "opposite" direction of the turn. A requirement on two wheels.

The requires the bars to be turned in the direction of the turn. I use a push/pull on the bars to accomplish this. Gentle, gentle, gentle and the turns are clean and effortless.

[Synthetic]

On a three wheeler I used to counter steer into and through a corner....and still do...when the two tires are on the rear not on the front...


Here's an example....

[Cruzr Joe]

I think you need to reread what you have typed and THNIK about it "opposite the direction".
You are talking about (what you typed) counter steering which does not exist on a three wheel vehicle.

AJ

The OP is correct, and it works great.

Cruzr Joe

[Skip H]

On a three wheeler I used to counter steer into and through a corner....and still do...when the two tires are on the rear not on the front...

I do not see any counter steering in any of the videos. What the riders are doing is normal steering to control a skid. When you point the front wheel in the direction you want to go that is normal steering. When you point the front wheel in the opposite direction of the desired turn that is counter steering. Whether you are pushing or pulling a handle bar has nothing to do with counter steering. What matters is the direction in which the front wheel is pointed.

Skip H
ELyria, OH

[wanderingman]

Jaherbst, thanks for your understanding. Counter steering is using gyroscopic force. You apply force on the handlebar in the direction of the turn. A force applied to a rotating mass responds with equal force but opposite direction 90 degrees in direction of rotation from the applied force. LOL This has nothing to do with my original statement. I am simply meaning to turn the handlebar by pushing the handlebar instead of pulling. For me it results in a much smoother turn.

[jaherbst]

Jaherbst, thanks for your understanding. Counter steering is using gyroscopic force. You apply force on the handlebar in the direction of the turn. A force applied to a rotating mass responds with equal force but opposite direction 90 degrees in direction of rotation from the applied force. LOL This has nothing to do with my original statement. I am simply meaning to turn the handlebar by pushing the handlebar instead of pulling. For me it results in a much smoother turn.

Centripetal vs Centrifugal forces here and we are controlling them by counter steering on a Leaner or

two Wheels.

​Jack