HERE'S A FIRST

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i have had over the years a lot of customer's that might be considered um, crazy and some i have called the
police on to prevent things from happening but yesterday is a first. the customer went crazy cursing at me
then wants to fight me because he didn't like the price i QUOTED on some wheel covers for his car.

[Bob Denman]

So... did he BUY those $15,000 (each) wheel covers, or not???

[Ron2andia]

Inquiring minds want to know?

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Inquiring minds want to know?

ok, i called the police, i let him know i was doing so & while he is standing near me in my yard i told 911 a description
of him & his license plate number. i few minutes later his daughter came to me saying her dad is sorry, he has alzheimer's.
i told her if he does really have that then have him give me his drivers license, i will cut it & give to police because he
should not be driving.

[jaherbst]

ok, i called the police, i let him know i was doing so & while he is standing near me in my yard i told 911 a description
of him & his license plate number. i few minutes later his daughter came to me saying her dad is sorry, he has alzheimer's.
i told her if he does really have that then have him give me his drivers license, i will cut it & give to police because he
should not be driving.

I would have to seriously question your actions on this. Not your place or decision to make. I think you would be wrong if you did so.

Jack

[Bob Denman]

Try and look at it this way: the daughter apologized, and tried to straighten things out...
It's got to be tough, being in their situations; I'd look to cut them some slack...

[Mick N]

i have had over the years a lot of customer's that might be considered um, crazy and some i have called the
police on to prevent things from happening but yesterday is a first. the customer went crazy cursing at me
then wants to fight me because he didn't like the price i QUOTED on some wheel covers for his car.

Cut the guy and his daughter some slack.

I can understand your frustration. I have ALZ in the 'early stages' and am a volunteer patient and am halfway through a 3 year ALZ medical study at Ohio State University (take a pill daily, get mental evaluation tests every 3 months). I won't benefit from the study personally but may help someone down the road. I can feel the mental changes happening in me and wrestle with them daily. I know I irritate my wife (and myself) on a daily basis... like driving to a neighborhood business (2 - 5 mile radius) that I've driven to before (x times) and she corrects my course, often several times. Letting the Spyder loose for an uncharted take-me-some-where, I'll-find-my-way home ride...? May not be such a good idea this year, seriously thinking about selling it. Conversationally, you'd probably never notice it in me on a group ride. Raining here today, so no chance for a ride anyway. May take the car and run an errand... if I can find the car keys. Yes. I have a designated place on the hall tree for all the vehicle keys. And I still misplace them once in a while.

Ryde safe.

[Chupaca]

Sometimes it is hard to make the call. You seem to have run into some unsavory sorts and are not wanting to have any more come your way. Don't know if he is as the daughter says but if he backed down and the daughter stepped in it's a good time to step back. Hope it all turned out ok for all parties....

[Cruzr Joe]

I would have to seriously question your actions on this. Not your place or decision to make. I think you would be wrong if you did so.

Jack

Cruzr Joe

[pitzerwm]

I would have to seriously question your actions on this. Not your place or decision to make. I think you would be wrong if you did so.

Jack

I disagree, the guy threaten bodily harm, he could have acted on those threats before the cops got there. If the daughter was right he shouldn't be wandering around. That's a problem today, no one is responsible for their actions, poor person, must have had a bad childhood.

You touch me on my property and you are going down and not getting up. I've only been in 3-4 fights in my life, I'm not starting now.

[Bob Denman]

While I'd like t agree with you (at least in theory...); we have an individual that is suffering from a condition that has probably affected his thought patterns in ways that I hope none of us ever have to endure...
A little bit of understanding, would go a long way!

[wyliec]

While I'd like t agree with you (at least in theory...); we have an individual that is suffering from a condition that has probably affected his thought patterns in ways that I hope none of us ever have to endure...
A little bit of understanding, would go a long way!

Bob D.,

I don't mean to wander to far off topic; but, I found this today, and it is just an excerpt:


"We used to think it was just Diabetes Type 1 that led to Alzheimer’s but we’re seeing that it’s also Diabetes Type 2. The longer you live with diabetes, the greater risk you have. There’s a an 80 percent increase [in the likelihood of getting] dementia, so we need to figure out what it is about Type 1 and 2 that makes them more vulnerable to cognitive decline."

My son has had type 1 for 21 years now, and I never knew that there was a relationship with ALZ.

Okay, back on track, I have no idea what this has to do with a bad childhood as mentioned by another poster. The daughter needs to get her father into a support group, if he does have Alzheimer's, and she needs to make a decision about letting him drive. I say give the man a break this time, and not follow up with any charges.

[robmorg]

I disagree, the guy threaten bodily harm, he could have acted on those threats before the cops got there. If the daughter was right he shouldn't be wandering around. That's a problem today, no one is responsible for their actions, poor person, must have had a bad childhood.

You touch me on my property and you are going down and not getting up...

Hmm, that's a bit harsh. I agree that bad behavior and irresponsibility is excused away far too often with that cliche', but it doesn't look like that's what's happening here. The fact that the daughter bothered to come back and explain makes it extremely unlikely that there was anything untruthful going on.

Displays of anger and aggression, and sometimes even violence, can be common with some Alzheimer patients. It is triggered when the person becomes overly confused, which can happen even in the early mid-stages of the disease before more severe disorientation becomes apparent. A person with Alzheimer has a different reality than most folks. The mere act of bartering for the wheel covers could have caused the fellow enough stress for that to have happened - especially if he had it in his mind that he was being treated unfairly, when in reality he was not. He'll know when he can no longer drive, or be guided to that decision by his loved ones.

[Bob Denman]

Bob D.,

I don't mean to wander to far off topic; but, I found this today, and it is just an excerpt:


"We used to think it was just Diabetes Type 1 that led to Alzheimer’s but we’re seeing that it’s also Diabetes Type 2. The longer you live with diabetes, the greater risk you have. There’s a an 80 percent increase [in the likelihood of getting] dementia, so we need to figure out what it is about Type 1 and 2 that makes them more vulnerable to cognitive decline."

My son has had type 1 for 21 years now, and I never knew that there was a relationship with ALZ.

Okay, back on track, I have no idea what this has to do with a bad childhood as mentioned by another poster. The daughter needs to get her father into a support group, if he does have Alzheimer's, and she needs to make a decision about letting him drive. I say give the man a break this time, and not follow up with any charges.

So there IS a reason!!!
Now I don't feel so bad!

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

I disagree, the guy threaten bodily harm, he could have acted on those threats before the cops got there. If the daughter was right he shouldn't be wandering around. That's a problem today, no one is responsible for their actions, poor person, must have had a bad childhood.

You touch me on my property and you are going down and not getting up. I've only been in 3-4 fights in my life, I'm not starting now.

that is why i called the cops not fight him, if he truly has alzheimers and can go into a rage like he did on me, what happens
if he got cut off while driving. he pushed me twice, multiple times told me to hit him, yelling and cursing. i don't take offence
but i don't want to be near it nor do i want it near my business.....liability issues so i call police and walk away.
i not only have to worry about myself but my employees and customers. in business i can't be nice or i can have a lot of
problems, i run my place very strict so customers are happy, employees are safe and i show a profit.

[SpyderSteveFL]

You did the right thing calling the police when he was aggressive and pushed you, no doubt there - you had no idea of his condition or state of mind. Only thing I would say is when daughter came and apologized and you learned of condition be a little more empathetic, but let the police and his family handle it - no need to comment about ripping up license, etc. Many states have laws like the one in Fla if you are diagnosed with certain condition and you drive off and loved ones call in a missing person, you must forfeit your license. Could be similar laws with aggressiveness, etc. That's why best to call police and step away - let them and family handle consequences.

Glad it turned out with no harm. If it was someone on Flakka or something could have turned ugly very quickly.

[ARtraveler]

It's over and done with. The armchair quarterbacking and the 20/20 hindsight have kicked in.

Having been in retail for over 30 years, I probably would have handled things differently. Yes, I have had people come through the door cursing me and accusing me.

My ultimate goal was to diffuse the situation and have the customer leave, actually liking me. I had a pretty good track record when these situations cropped up.

You got through this one with no lasting problems, think about how you may handle a similar situation the next time.

Not looking forward to getting Alzheimers. I have Type 2. There are a lot of ways to go, but that is not one that I would choose.

[Bob Denman]

Not looking forward to getting Alzheimers. I have Type 2. There are a lot of ways to go, but that is not one that I would choose.

Type One here (51 years...)
I'm still holding out on the hopes that I'll get shot in the back of the head by a jealous husband...



...At the age of 95!

[rwc]

Calling the Police was the correct thing to do. Aggressive behavior of that nature must never be excused or tolerated. While you would have been out of place to actually cutting up his license It was still a good suggestion. Police and family need to take charge of this person and get him help if that is what is needed but it is still no excuse for this behavior which is dangerous to others.

[MRH]

I would have to seriously question your actions on this. Not your place or decision to make. I think you would be wrong if you did so.

Jack

No, I disagree. If he poses a danger to others then it absolutely is everybody's responsibility to remove him from the road. I seriously doubt you'd feel the same way if hurt somebody first. It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with what must be a very difficult time for him, but based on what the daughter said he isn't competent to drive.

[Tango]

You did the right thing by calling the police! The daughter also did the right thing by apologizing. She is however way wrong by letting him drive! Take the keys away, cut up the license already. Tom

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Keep in mind, she said he has alzheimers but i do believe she would say anything for me not to call the police &
lock him up and that may also be why she came in to apologize for him. where was she when he pushed me and
why does she allow him to drive knowing he can behave like this.
i have been in car accidents by those who should not drive whether it be stupid or distracted doesn't change the
damage done. i have been cut off by distracted drivers while on my , i don't want those people on the
road much less those who may actually have a mental problem. i am not here to fix the world but i do what i
can to help others. i have my mom and dad to take care of and i am glad my dad doesn't drive anymore, he gave
his license up when he was around 82.

Do i feel bad for him & his family, yes but it is not my responsibility to take care of him. if i didn't feel bad i would
have had the police arrest him, i didn't.

[Vader]

I would like to comment, from both a personal and former(LEO) perspective.
My sweet Grandma, rest her soul, finally decided many years ago while still alive, to stop driving. I always respected her for that. She knew she could no longer safely operate a motor vehicle.
And I agree with you calling the police. As an officer, there were many occassions when we would arrive at the scene of an accident, where one of the drivers should not have been driving due to health issues. When it comes to ones health affecting the ability to operate a motor vehicle safely, it is very difficult when a family member informs you of a health issue which could overtake the driver, thus placing themselves, any passengers and other motorists and pedestrians at risk.
I am glad his daughter came by. And I hope she takes the steps needed to help her Father.

[Bfromla]

ok, i called the police, i let him know i was doing so & while he is standing near me in my yard i told 911 a description
of him & his license plate number. i few minutes later his daughter came to me saying her dad is sorry, he has alzheimer's.
i told her if he does really have that then have him give me his drivers license, i will cut it & give to police because he
should not be driving.

Hard call fyi I had a grandfather with Alzheimer's & it had it scary moments but were non violent. Each case is different but sounds more like the early stages still needing DR's to prove thats what it is. Most horrible disease & time, sorry you had that experience, hope thats all that comes of it Its so random what they remember or why (but seem fixated on some things)He may come back not knowing, just so you know. The family will be responsible but being family they can not cage them. Nursing homes rather not take said patients till they are bed ridden, all a crazy mess.

[Sam Mac]

Just my 2 cents but how could the OP (original poster) know that this person had a medical issue? In todays world of people jacked up on drugs you never know what you are dealing with. Sorry but I'm 100 percent with the OP on this one. That said the family needs to take the drivers license away before he kills someone. To the OP well done and thank you. Maybe you saved the life of an innocent person.