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    Default Anyone changed their 1330 trans filter yet?

    Have any of you oil boys changed the transmission oil filter on your 1330 ace motor yet?? How big a hasel is it to change?

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    Default Doubt it....

    That filter does not need changing for 28,000 miles. It resides inside the engine and requires removing engine covers to get at. Don't know what all is involved but the physical pulling of the cover and replacing is not that hard but then there may be more to it cause it is not a cheap service...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    That filter does not need changing for 28,000 miles. It resides inside the engine and requires removing engine covers to get at. Don't know what all is involved but the physical pulling of the cover and replacing is not that hard but then there may be more to it cause it is not a cheap service...
    I got the mileage on , I need to talk to someone who has done this themselves. I know the filter is about $105.

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    It is not a difficult service. Take panels off and there it is, remove bolts and replace filter. Put pan uinder it to catch oil.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluep View Post
    Have any of you oil boys changed the transmission oil filter on your 1330 ace motor yet?? How big a hasel is it to change?
    You might send a message to spyderann

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyspyder2039 View Post
    You might send a message to spyderann
    I've got a manual transmission so no transmission filter for me.

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    Default Dealer required

    Changing the transmission filter requires the BUDS Computer to be connected after the oil/filter change to cycle the various solenoids in the HCM (Hydraulic Control Module). Doing the procedure ensures that all the air that got into the system during the filter change is removed. Air in the hydraulic system is not good. So unless you have access to a BUDS computer you will need the dealer do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc - Riverside View Post
    Changing the transmission filter requires the BUDS Computer to be connected after the oil/filter change to cycle the various solenoids in the HCM (Hydraulic Control Module). Doing the procedure ensures that all the air that got into the system during the filter change is removed. Air in the hydraulic system is not good. So unless you have access to a BUDS computer you will need the dealer do the job.
    No BUDS done, no Air, and no problems when I did mine and that was 10,000 miles ago. In fact the person who sold me the filter is also the head Spyder tech at my dealer and if BUDS was required he would have told me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PW2013STL View Post
    No BUDS done, no Air, and no problems when I did mine and that was 10,000 miles ago. In fact the person who sold me the filter is also the head Spyder tech at my dealer and if BUDS was required he would have told me.
    Thanks PW20, Just what I needed from somebody that's done it. Thanks again , BLuep

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    Hello PW,
    I'm about to replace my transmission filter. When you do a 1330 transmission filter replacement, is the gasket alone adequate to seal the cover plate against leaks? Or do I need to get some gasket sealer before I replace mine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc - Riverside View Post
    Changing the transmission filter requires the BUDS Computer to be connected after the oil/filter change to cycle the various solenoids in the HCM (Hydraulic Control Module). Doing the procedure ensures that all the air that got into the system during the filter change is removed. Air in the hydraulic system is not good. So unless you have access to a BUDS computer you will need the dealer do the job.
    just read this in the manual. If you replace the filter you need to make sure no air is in the system.. BUDS is required..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    just read this in the manual. If you replace the filter you need to make sure no air is in the system.. BUDS is required..
    I was hoping that that was put in there to convince us we needed to take it to the dealer. I have 8500 miles left before I need to do mine so maybe a few others will have reported on theirs by then!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    just read this in the manual. If you replace the filter you need to make sure no air is in the system.. BUDS is required..
    .....According to the MANUAL.......BUDS is REQUIRED for almost everything that is done on all Spyders...........Well guess what ...this is a Myth................It also says everytime a CODE shows on your screen.....put the Spyder on a trailer and IMMEDIATELY bring it to the nearest Dealer. If every one actually did this, the total mileage for ALL Spyders sold to date would be about 10,000 miles and 95 % of them would be in the shop right now WAITING to be serviced .................just sayin.........Mike

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    I changed mine just before our NTA trip at 21,000 miles. Early I know, but did not want to have to have that done during the trip.

    It's more involved than just the standard oil and filter change, but that's where you start by draining all the oil out first as you will still get a fair amount out of that cover.
    It is located at the bottom far right of the motor on the right side. I removed the right side black plastic support piece that holds the snap on vented Tupperware and the headlight adjuster as well as the right side short skid plate below it. This gave me direct access to the 10mm (head) bolts on the cover as well as a strait shot for the oil to drain.

    The cover and filter are one piece so remove the bolts and pull the old cover off and replace with the new and bolt it on. Fill with oil (make sure your drain plugs and back in) run the bike and check for any leaks then button it all back up. Have a beer and congratulate yourself on saving a lot of $ that the dealer would have charged you.

    If you have the time to wait you can find the filter on line for less than the $105 I paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PW2013STL View Post
    I changed mine just before our NTA trip at 21,000 miles. Early I know, but did not want to have to have that done during the trip.

    It's more involved than just the standard oil and filter change, but that's where you start by draining all the oil out first as you will still get a fair amount out of that cover.
    It is located at the bottom far right of the motor on the right side. I removed the right side black plastic support piece that holds the snap on vented Tupperware and the headlight adjuster as well as the right side short skid plate below it. This gave me direct access to the 10mm (head) bolts on the cover as well as a strait shot for the oil to drain.

    The cover and filter are one piece so remove the bolts and pull the old cover off and replace with the new and bolt it on. Fill with oil (make sure your drain plugs and back in) run the bike and check for any leaks then button it all back up. Have a beer and congratulate yourself on saving a lot of $ that the dealer would have charged you.

    If you have the time to wait you can find the filter on line for less than the $105 I paid.
    Does anyone have pictures or link to a YouTube for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    Sorry that would not be me. Hope you don't need buds for it... [emoji845]
    The shop manual mentions nothing about needing BUDS afterwards, and the job looks to be fairly straightforward. I'll do mine when it's due.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheSpyderRyder View Post
    The shop manual mentions nothing about needing BUDS afterwards, and the job looks to be fairly straightforward. I'll do mine when it's due.
    I've had a number of customers do their own HCM filter change without incident. I think it wise to start the engine and let it idle for a bit to be sure all the oil passages are filled and any air is vented from the system. Just like any oil change on any vehicle. More so on a dry sump system like the Spyder uses.

    This gives you time to check for any leaks, etc. Do this, of course, before you button everything up and can no longer see if you have any leaks. But the way. Leaks are extremely rare and only occur when you've done something wrong. Which is also very rare.
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    BUDS is actually a lot more limited and generic looking than you'd ever believe. However, BRP Diagnostics is a great setup for the OEM software, and very reasonable. Just don't expect unicorns and glitter, you'll be disappointed. Up until about a year or so ago, we had been using it in the seadoo world when dealing with machines still using stock ecus. I always felt like I was working in windows 95. The biggest complaint we had was it seemed like we were noticeably slower to get the updates vs. The local dealer. Don't know if that's gotten better?? Never played with the spyder version though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewNJ View Post
    BUDS is actually a lot more limited and generic looking than you'd ever believe. However, BRP Diagnostics is a great setup for the OEM software, and very reasonable. Just don't expect unicorns and glitter, you'll be disappointed. Up until about a year or so ago, we had been using it in the seadoo world when dealing with machines still using stock ecus. I always felt like I was working in windows 95. The biggest complaint we had was it seemed like we were noticeably slower to get the updates vs. The local dealer. Don't know if that's gotten better?? Never played with the spyder version though.
    I have tried to contact BRP Diagnostics and got no reply.. May have to contact the local Stealer and see what they tell me on BUDS

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    What is the estimated price to have this done at a dealer?3-400?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty1096 View Post
    What is the estimated price to have this done at a dealer?3-400?
    I would guess that the total price would include an oil change with filters. However, an oil change is easily done by the owner. And the transmission oil filter replacement is probably the easiest part of the process on the 1330 motor.
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    I have replaced mine it is so easy I'm going to replace my second one this month no buds needed

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    Curious as to the hydraulics work on this....is it not the same oil source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geep View Post
    Curious as to the hydraulics work on this....is it not the same oil source?
    There seems to be a fair number of misconceptions about the SE6 HCM filter.

    Changing the HCM filter is tricky or hard to do, (Not)
    You need BUDS to change the HCM filter, (Not)
    The HCM filter, filters the transmission oil, (Not). I will admit some culpability on this one as I reference this as a 'Transmission' filter (which it is not) because many relate to this terminology but have no idea what an HCM is.
    The transmission runs in it's own, separate oil, (Not)

    This filter treats only that oil which is then sent to the hydraulic control mechanism (or module, I can't remember which). The HCM takes the place of your foot on the shift lever and your hand squeezing the clutch lever. That's all it does. Shift up, shift down. The transmission gears run in the same oil as the engine and that oil is filtered by the engine oil filter.
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