DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deanna777]

Yes I have both, but since I just got the monster flash, I was worried they may say that caused it and void my warranty. I would rather go to Spyderpops and have them turn it off and not worry about it happening again. If they detect the flash and have to replace the module, they might reprogram my ecu and wipe out my flash.

Question: What is "The Monster Flash"?

Deanna

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Question: What is "The Monster Flash"?

Deanna

It is a 1962 novelty song and the best-known song by Bobby "Boris" Pickett!

[Spyderlass]

Question: What is "The Monster Flash"?

Deanna

You folks are just too slow! Or perhaps too young...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuVifA7DSU

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Hi, I think your question was directed to me ….. it's part # 710004916, this is the 5th edition of the same part, it's their best attempt so far at fixing the problem …. however there are still people reporting failures ….. but it's the only model currently available …. the last price I saw was @ cheapcycleparts.com ….. for $ 134.99 …. It's possible you won't ever have yours fail , but if it does and you aren't in your garage, after you pay for the Tow, the dealer is going to charge about $ 600.00, and it may take them 2-3 weeks to get it done ( possibly longer ) Total cost could be $1000.00, plus your down time. To be honest, most DESS failures aren't total initially. Usually it can be started after you get the " orange screen of death " ie. DESS failure screen..... However it will occur again and again until It completely fails. I have posted in detail where and how to replace, also where I moved mine too for very easy access ( using the OEM wires from the harness - no splicing ) ….. Mike

[SpyderConvert]

I was in Johnstown, PA, a couple of weekends ago and got the D.E.S.S orange screen of death. I simply removed the key, re-inserted it almost immediately and it did start. I called the dealer that I use and was told that he had the part in stock and could replace it while I wait (one and a half hours) and gave me an appointment date and time. He quoted me a price and I told him that I had the B.E.S.T. warranty, he checked and told me that it would be replaced under warranty. I'm not sure if I'll need to pay the deductible or not, but that's beside the point. I'm just reluctant to ryde because I have no way of getting it there if it does fail.

[larryd]

IMOP this DESS is just another THORN in BRP's side...Just ANOTHER MAJOR DETERRENT, DISCOURAGING any prudential buyers doing their home work before purchasing their flawed and defective products...What BRP should be doing is finding a permanent fix and offering a free lifetime warranty on this flawed and engineered in problem, OR offering ALL owners the option to turn the DESS off...larryd

PS The module is NOT ALWAYS the permanent fix...I HAD 3 modules replaced and the problem still persisted UNTILL I HAD THE DESS TURNED OFF...They tried to blame everything under the sun that I was doing that caused the problem; LIKE, carrying other coded keys in my pocket, parking under certain hi voltage wires, parking too close to other sources EMI fields...

IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LIST OF EVERYONE AND EVERYPLACE THAT CAN TURN IS 5 YEAR PIA OFF...

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

IMOP this DESS is just another THORN in BRP's side...Just ANOTHER MAJOR DETERRENT, DISCOURAGING any prudential buyers doing their home work before purchasing their flawed and defective products...What BRP should be doing is finding a permanent fix and offering a free lifetime warranty on this flawed and engineered in problem, OR offering ALL owners the option to turn the DESS off.

What complicates the issue for finding the cause are the thousands of 2014 RTs like mine that have never had a DESS problem coupled with the fact that there seems to be no consistency in what causes the problem. External influences can cause a DESS failure. I made mine give an error by having both keys at the ignition when I turned it on.

[UtahPete]

What complicates the issue for finding the cause are the thousands of 2014 RTs like mine that have never had a DESS problem coupled with the fact that there seems to be no consistency in what causes the problem. External influences can cause a DESS failure. I made mine give an error by having both keys at the ignition when I turned it on.

[trikermutha]

HAs anyone replaced the DESS antenna after replacing the newest module?

This would be after another DESS warning would display on the dash.

The Bulletin suggests to replace the antenna if you still get the DESS warning after the DESS module has been replaced already.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

HAs anyone replaced the DESS antenna after replacing the newest module?

This would be after another DESS warning would display on the dash.

The Bulletin suggests to replace the antenna if you still get the DESS warning after the DESS module has been replaced already.

Deanna777 had to do it after Her first repair didn't work ….. Mike

[trikermutha]

Deanna777 had to do it after Her first repair didn't work ….. Mike

So it sounds like its still working. That was the information I was looking for.

Now changing out the antenna is going to be a PIA. Since I have the TRIAXIS bars on there now. Thought I could feed all that thru the small opening at the key switch. But now that I think about it I still maybe able to do this without taking off the whole dam fairing.

DESS.pdf

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

So it sounds like its still working. That was the information I was looking for.

Now changing out the antenna is going to be a PIA. Since I have the TRIAXIS bars on there now. Thought I could feed all that thru the small opening at the key switch. But now that I think about it I still maybe able to do this without taking off the whole dam fairing.

DESS.pdf

I'm pretty sure I have read everything posted about DESS …. I don't think BRP has this issue figured out …. from what others have posted it appears that the antennae effects about 10% of the failures 90% are the MODULE ( only ) …..good luck …. Mike

[trikermutha]

I'm pretty sure I have read everything posted about DESS …. I don't think BRP has this issue figured out …. from what others have posted it appears that the antennae effects about 10% of the failures 90% are the MODULE ( only ) …..good luck …. Mike

On post #758 click on the (DESS PDF) it explains why this is happening.

[Deanna777]

So it sounds like its still working. That was the information I was looking for.

Now changing out the antenna is going to be a PIA. Since I have the TRIAXIS bars on there now. Thought I could feed all that thru the small opening at the key switch. But now that I think about it I still maybe able to do this without taking off the whole dam fairing.

DESS.pdf

Yes, I have not had the DESS error since I have had the DESS module replaced ( 5 years ago).
Deanna

[Deanna777]

HAs anyone replaced the DESS antenna after replacing the newest module?

This would be after another DESS warning would display on the dash.

The Bulletin suggests to replace the antenna if you still get the DESS warning after the DESS module has been replaced already.

HI, I had the DESS antenna replaced when I had my first DESS module replaced, back in 2015. Also, I posted it when had the antenna replaced.
Deanna

[RogerTN]

I have a 2014 RT Limited with about 8800 miles. I had this problem a couple days ago. DESS ERROR with picture of a key.
Go To You Tube and search for Spyder Bad Key Fixed. I tried this with the tin foil and it works. I did not take the ignition apart assembly apart..just wrapped a small amount of tin foil around the trim ring where key goes in and it started. Did it several times. If you watch the video on you tube it makes sense Now today it starts as normal with no tin foil
Hope this helps

[Trbayth]

I have a 2014 RT Limited with about 8800 miles. I had this problem a couple days ago. DESS ERROR with picture of a key.
Go To You Tube and search for Spyder Bad Key Fixed. I tried this with the tin foil and it works. I did not take the ignition apart assembly apart..just wrapped a small amount of tin foil around the trim ring where key goes in and it started. Did it several times. If you watch the video on you tube it makes sense Now today it starts as normal with no tin foil
Hope this helps

As was mentioned in the other thread where you posted this, it's a temporary fix and may get you home when in a pickle.

[Deanna777]

Here is a thread about the D.E.S.S problems.


Deanna

[Deanna777]

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Deanna

[Jdr00ejr]

Question 1: Where is the DESS physically located on a Spyder F3? Spent way too much time reading through this thread and didn't that anywhere?
Question 2: Looks like Lamonster Garage at 500 miles is the closest to Indianapolis who can disable the DESS. Anyone else closer?
Question 3: Once it does the complete failure thing - can you trailer the bike to someone to disable it - or do you need to get a good key read first to disable it?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Question 1: Where is the DESS physically located on a Spyder F3? Spent way too much time reading through this thread and didn't that anywhere?
Question 2: Looks like Lamonster Garage at 500 miles is the closest to Indianapolis who can disable the DESS. Anyone else closer?
Question 3: Once it does the complete failure thing - can you trailer the bike to someone to disable it - or do you need to get a good key read first to disable it?

#1. - I have a pic of EXACTLY where it's located on an RT .........
#2. - ???? .......
#3.- I think it has to be functioning .....
#4. - If it fails .... turn ignition on/off 5 times rapidly .... that worked for me ..... Mike

[Deanna777]

Question 1: Where is the DESS physically located on a Spyder F3? Spent way too much time reading through this thread and didn't that anywhere?
Question 2: Looks like Lamonster Garage at 500 miles is the closest to Indianapolis who can disable the DESS. Anyone else closer?
Question 3: Once it does the complete failure thing - can you trailer the bike to someone to disable it - or do you need to get a good key read first to disable it?

Question 1. I am not sure wear the DESS module is located on F3 spyder.

Question 2. Email Lamonster Garage and ask them if there is anyone closer or have them disable the DESS.

Question 3. Email Lamonster Garage for that answer.

What year is your F3 spyder?

Do you still have warranty/or B.E.S.T coverage on the spyder?

If you still have warranty /or B.E.S.T coverage on your spyder make an appointment with your can am dealership, have them open up a case with BRP and make sure that your can am dealership has the parts. Have your can am dealership run it thru the warranty or B.E.S.T.

Hope this helps.

Deanna

[Bill W.]

2014 RTL I get the DESS error every once in awhile. I'll go a couple of months without one, then it'll pop up two or three days in a row. No rhyme or reason at all. Most of the time when it hits, I'll just turn off the key, and quickly turn it back on. Wet or dry, hot or cold, it doesn't matter. Never been stranded because of it, knock on wood!!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

2014 RTL I get the DESS error every once in awhile. I'll go a couple of months without one, then it'll pop up two or three days in a row. No rhyme or reason at all. Most of the time when it hits, I'll just turn off the key, and quickly turn it back on. Wet or dry, hot or cold, it doesn't matter. Never been stranded because of it, knock on wood!!

Once the DESS code appears ..... it is only a matter of time to When it WILL FAIL not IF it will fail. This part will not Heal itself .... and nothing you do will get the Spyder re-started - Period. ... 99.9 % of these DESS issues began in 2014 after some Dumb A** engineer decided to fix a part that wasn't Broken. Then they started to have issues, and it took a couple of years for BRP to get that part to function with better reliability. So if stay close to home and near a dealer and hope it takes less than 3 weeks to get it fixed, then don't worry about it ..... good luck .... Mike

[Jdr00ejr]

Question 1 I am not sure wear the DESS module is located on F3 spyder.

Question 2 Email Lamonster Garage and ask them if there is anyone closer or have them disable the DESS.

Question 3 Email Lamonster Garage for that answer.

What year is your F3 spyder?

Do you still have warranty/or B.E.S.T coverage on the spyder?

If you still have warranty /or B.E.S.T coverage on your spyder make an appointment with your can am dealership, have them open up a case with BRP and make sure that your can am dealership has the parts. Have your can am dealership run it thru the warranty or B.E.S.T.

Hope this helps.

Deanna

It's a 2015 F3S - it's not under warranty - which doesn't concern me because I do my own work anyway. Sometimes the homework to find the answers is harder than others though.

I laugh every time someone posts "just email Lamonster Garage for the answer" because I have already - with ZERO response. Which I've experienced several times before. I'll find a different source to answer my questions.