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 Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
.... remember when BRP kept saying ....What heat issues, we ain't got no stink'in HEAT issues (ref.2013 RT)
Please remember: They DID fix those! 
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Has anyone reported the D.E.S.S. error on models earlier than 2014?
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We might have seen a couple, but they were pretty rare... 
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Originally Posted by KJWEB
Has anyone reported the D.E.S.S. error on models earlier than 2014?
Prior to the 2014's, the setup was different. The DESS module on the older models received the information from the key AND did the authentication. If it liked what it saw, it told the ECM to start the bike. That's why on older models if you swapped the DESS module, you had to reprogram the keys. With the 2014's, the DESS module is just a pass thru -- it receives the information from the key and simply passes it on to the ECM. The ECM does the authentication and decides whether to start the bike or not. So the DESS module on the 2014's can be swapped out with no reprogramming of the keys -- the authentication information is stored in the ECM.
I would say that means that the DESS modules are totally different and experience on prior years does not relate to 2014's. I asked my tech, who's very good, if he had any idea why BRP would have changed their strategy. He thought about it and said it may have been to make it easier to add new keys for people. With the old system, it was cumbersome and took some time to program the keys. Now he said they can use BUDS and it's really quick. Sounded like a good thought to me but only BRP knows for sure why they did it.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Please remember: They DID fix those!
After the government pretty much backed them into a corner.
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Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 02:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Have you been able to ride this weekend at all  ? The weather is gorgeous! (87 degrees down here!)
This would be offering some support to a rider whose bike is giving her trouble... 
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Are you related to Joe Walsh?? 
Okay; I'll give you this one... But it IS a good song!
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
The antenna? Perhaps it's just not getting set back exactly where it needs to be? This is NOT a 50,000 watt radio station; placement could be critical.
This one is ABSOLUTELY on-topic, as I was discussing another possible source of trouble for the DESS system.
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Yes; yes it would!
Well; you've got me on this one also!
I'm NOT throwing anyone under the bus, but to be fair; I didn't start this one!
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
That's quite all right...
It's not as if I've NEVER gone off-topic before!
Once again; a discussion with Dee, where I was simply assuring her that I bore no ill-will toward her over what she had posted...
 You must add context; for the meaning to be clear!
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