DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

hmmm, you must be thinking the same thing I am. Find the power wire to the DESS and simply diconnect it.

Sorry, won't work. One of the criteria for the ECM to permit engine start is "D.E.S.S. recognizes the key." If you simply cut power to the DESS module the ECM will not get the key info from it. If the ECM can't get the key info from the DESS it won't give the OK signal to start the engine. That's why the only way to "Disable the DESS" is to use BUDS to change the parameter inside the ECM so it skips the valid key check.

Keep in mind DESS doesn't mean only the module but also the software program. It's Digitally Encoded Security System.

[cruisinTX]

I thought I had already posted this but guess not. I need to thank James Thorne from Houston, Tx. for having exorcised the DESS gremlins from my 2014 RT-L when we met up in Las Vegas, NM on Friday, June 23rd. Hoping that is the last I ever see of that worthless piece of technology built in by the "oh so brilliant BRP engineers."

[Deanna777]

I thought I had already posted this but guess not. I need to thank James Thorne from Houston, Tx. for having exorcised the DESS gremlins from my 2014 RT-L when we met up in Las Vegas, NM on Friday, June 23rd. Hoping that is the last I ever see of that worthless piece of technology built in by the "oh so brilliant BRP engineers."

crusinTX,

Thanks for posting!

Deanna

[helton61]

Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.

[Deanna777]

Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.

helton61,

What year is your spyder?

What is your spyder model?
Deanna

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.

Please tell everyone here who did it ...... EVERYONE wants to know this .... it gets asked a lot here .....Thanks .... Mike

[Vincef329]

Wow, 44 pages of this. DESS error twice on my nearly new 2022 F3s.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Wow, 44 pages of this. DESS error twice on my nearly new 2022 F3s...

Hopefully " BRP Cares " doesn't read Your post. .... Dis-abling DESS isn't something BRP would tolerate - -JMHO ..... Mike

[helton61]

helton61,

What year is your spyder?

What is your spyder model?
Deanna

16 spyder RTL

[Mikey]

Hopefully " BRP Cares " doesn't read Your post. .... Dis-abling DESS isn't something BRP would tolerate - -JMHO ..... Mike

If they had half a brain they would do something different! Oh wait, that would mean someone won't make any money, silly me what was I thinking!

[WRCLVR]

So this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Sso this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!

BRP HAD a DESS system that worked fine ...... PRIOR TO 2014!!!! .... then some idiot engineer, tried to fix it even tho it wasn't BROKE .... Mike PS read post # 1082 above .....

[Deanna777]

Sso this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!

WRCLVR,


Deanna

[Deanna777]

Has anyone had any DESS errors/or problems lately on the new spyder models (2020 +)?

Deanna

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Has anyone had any DESS errors/ or problems lately on the new spyder models (2020 +)?

Deanna

Read post #1057 ..... Mike

[Hawk]

2014 Starting to get the error on mine now. Out of warranty. Anyone have an idea what the cost is to fix this? I am sure my local dealer here in GA will not disable it.

[Mikey]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!! Good job girl, I think it's the all-time longest right up with, what did you do to your Spyder today!

2014 Starting to get the error on mine now. Out of warranty. Anyone have an idea what the cost is to fix this? I am sure my local dealer here in GA will not disable it.

Go back to the first post and read down through them one more time. Then find some one that has BUDS and get it unhooked! Good luck my friend!! Technology you got to love it, and hate it at the same time.

[Hawk]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!! Good job girl, I think it's the all-time longest right up with, what did you do to your Spyder today!



Go back to the first post and read down through them one more time. Then find some one that has BUDS and get it unhooked! Good luck my friend!! Technology you got to love it, and hate it at the same time.

I have read the entire thread. It has been a long morning, lol. More info, this has been happening for a bit off and on. I can get by it, sometimes quickly, sometimes not (turning key on/off, waiting, etc). Does anyone know someone in the Atlanta area that can turn it off? If you don't want to post it, PM me. Thanks.

[PaladinLV]

The DESS error was covered by an SB!
Sorry no longer remember number - look it up.
An SB should mean (it is COVERED) by BRP and should not need to worry about cost.
So "maybe" to save $$$ the Dealership will just disable via BUDs; then again maybe not.
But the cost should be on BRP, not you.
Check it out.

AJ

[Hawk]

RECORD_ID: 2917249

Bulletin Number: A104494

Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A

NHTSA Item Number: 10185868

Date Posted: 11-05-2015

Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

Make: CAN-AM

Model: SPYDER RT

Year: 2014

Date Added: 01-25-2021

Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.

Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

RECORD_ID: 2917249

Bulletin Number: A104494

Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A

NHTSA Item Number: 10185868

Date Posted: 11-05-2015

Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

Make: CAN-AM

Model: SPYDER RT

Year: 2014

Date Added: 01-25-2021

Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.

Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??

Since you are on the "DESS" thread, you think you have a DESS Failure issue ..... (ie. orange screen of Death). Contact your Dealer and see if they know about the SB and IF they will honor it? ..... As far as cancelling it, I seriously doubt the dealer will or even can do that ..... good news .... I'm pretty sure the "Netzley boys" will be selling at "Maggie Valley" in the beginning of Oct. (check the dates posted on the Home page) .... they now have the capability to CANCEL the DESS module. I would contact them and ask and or set up an appointment .... good luck .... Mike .... I just discovered that BAJARON (in Tenn.) can cancel DESS also ..... M

[Hawk]

Thanks BLUEKNIGHT911!! Will see about going to MV!!! Have not been to a Spyder function in some time!!

[Deanna777]

2014 Starting to get the error on mine now. Out of warranty. Anyone have an idea what the cost is to fix this? I am sure my local dealer here in GA will not disable it.

Hawk,

I don't know what the cost would be to fix it. The dealerships wont fix the disable DESS.

Deanna

[Deanna777]

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!! Good job girl, I think it's the all-time longest right up with, what did you do to your Spyder today!



Go back to the first post and read down through them one more time. Then find some one that has BUDS and get it unhooked! Good luck my friend!! Technology you got to love it, and hate it at the same time.

Mikey,

Yes, this thread has a lot of excellent info. Thank You!!! Yes, this thread is very long. Thanks
Good luck!

Deanna

[Deanna777]

RECORD_ID: 2917249

Bulletin Number: A104494

Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A

NHTSA Item Number: 10185868

Date Posted: 11-05-2015

Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

Make: CAN-AM

Model: SPYDER RT

Year: 2014

Date Added: 01-25-2021

Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.

Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??

Hawk,

Where did you find the above info?

Deanna