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08-25-2016, 12:01 AM
#526
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wanderingman
I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.
I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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08-25-2016, 01:47 AM
#527
Very Active Member
BULL****!
Can I be3 any plainer
AJ
Originally Posted by wanderingman
I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.
2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
Kuryakyn Black Widow Pegs Rivco Highway Brackets
Rivco Trunk Mounted Double Flag Holder
FOBO / Spyder Cuff / XM Radio w MC Antenna
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08-25-2016, 01:51 AM
#528
Very Active Member
Negative.
The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.
AJ
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.
2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
Kuryakyn Black Widow Pegs Rivco Highway Brackets
Rivco Trunk Mounted Double Flag Holder
FOBO / Spyder Cuff / XM Radio w MC Antenna
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08-25-2016, 07:58 AM
#529
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.
Originally Posted by PaladinLV
Negative.
The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.
AJ
Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?
Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.
I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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08-25-2016, 10:52 AM
#530
Very Active Member
REPEAT
NEGATIVE
AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?
Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.
I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!
Last edited by PaladinLV; 08-26-2016 at 02:17 AM.
2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
Kuryakyn Black Widow Pegs Rivco Highway Brackets
Rivco Trunk Mounted Double Flag Holder
FOBO / Spyder Cuff / XM Radio w MC Antenna
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08-25-2016, 03:58 PM
#531
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by PaladinLV
REPEAT
NEGATIVE
AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.
You mean a couple of photos like these? The first shows the key error when the second key was next to the first key when ignition was turned on. The second photo shows the bike running with a non-chip key in the ignition and the chip key next to it.
2 chip keys.jpg Non chip in ignition.jpg
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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08-25-2016, 07:13 PM
#532
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wanderingman
I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.
Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".
Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-27-2016, 07:52 AM
#533
Active Member
Well,looks like we get to go pick up wife's Spydey again from repair in Springfield Ohio. (DESS replaced) Hopin of all hopes its Fixed fer good. I'm sure sumpthin else will (electronically) need repair eventually. It just seems that way....for now I want her to have her Spydey back so we can ride together and enjoy what's left of this warmer weather.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-27-2016, 03:42 PM
#534
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Deanna777
Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".
Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna
Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?
Pete
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:42 PM.
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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08-27-2016, 05:49 PM
#535
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peteoz
Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?
Pete
When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.
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08-27-2016, 08:34 PM
#536
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peteoz
Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?
Pete
Pete, See/read post #535 on this thread for the answer. Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:43 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-28-2016, 07:07 AM
#537
Very Active Member
cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.
did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv
2015 rts-white pearl- mods- '16 F3 fat 6 chrome wheels,
and some little stuff. setback utopia backrest, baja ron
sway bar, oem adj. air deflectors, marlin gps compass,
lamonster fbb foot pegs[modified brackets], lamonts
vibration damper, rock guard, and side case stiffener kit,
. brp comfort seat. , fomozas and
altimax, magic mirror mts, and wide mirrors.
[joyce & irvin toms]
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08-28-2016, 01:31 PM
#538
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Joyce47
cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.
did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv
Joyce47, I posted ( on page 6 post # 126 title " new DESS module + Ignition switch fixed update 8/28/15" ) on what happened when I had my New dess module + Ignition switch replaced.
My dealership " replaced the rear trunk key lock". Also, get from your dealership a new trailer lock.
Keep us updated on what happens. Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-28-2016, 03:41 PM
#539
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by jcthorne
When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.
Ahhhhhh. Thanks JC and Deanna. I was just curious as both my phone and chipped credit cards are within a foot of the key when I turn the ignition on.
Pete
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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08-28-2016, 04:31 PM
#540
Very Active Member
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08-28-2016, 06:04 PM
#541
Very Active Member
5 gals of gas and a match, problem solved.
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08-28-2016, 08:02 PM
#542
Very Active Member
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:45 PM.
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08-28-2016, 08:13 PM
#543
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peteoz
Ahhhhhh. Thanks JC and Deanna. I was just curious as both my phone and chipped credit cards are within a foot of the key when I turn the ignition on.
Pete
Pete, When I am on the road, I have my cell phone, camera and other items in my trunk, and my spyder starts.
Also, I have the dess module part # 710004190 ( was installed on Aug. 28th 2015) and I know my dess module part # is not the latest.
The current/latest dess module part # is 710004916.
You are welcome for the info. Deanna
Last edited by Deanna777; 08-31-2016 at 07:57 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-28-2016, 08:20 PM
#544
Very Active Member
It is "year" today since I have had the 2nd D.E.S.S. module + Switch replaced. WOHOO!!!!!!
I hope I did not jinx my self.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-28-2016, 11:47 PM
#545
Very Active Member
I don't know how many times I must say the same thing before this sinks into everybody's mind.
The ONLY way to be reasonably sure the error gets fixed is:
Have the DESS Module replaced
AND
Have the Ignition Switch replaced.
Be proactive and TELL your Dealership these are the parts that need to be replaced and give them the Part Numbers!
DO NOT accept any other solution!
OR
Disable the system entirely!
I'm not going to post the part numbers again. I've done it and so has Deanna multiple times.
Believe, don't believe me, that's your choice.
AJ
Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
Kuryakyn Black Widow Pegs Rivco Highway Brackets
Rivco Trunk Mounted Double Flag Holder
FOBO / Spyder Cuff / XM Radio w MC Antenna
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08-29-2016, 07:04 AM
#546
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
Mike
If you have the latest and greatest module and it is still acting up then it sounds like they don't have the problem solved. That sucks.
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08-31-2016, 08:05 PM
#547
Very Active Member
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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09-03-2016, 12:26 PM
#548
Active Member
So how do you disable the system
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09-03-2016, 12:36 PM
#549
Originally Posted by PaladinLV
I don't know how many times I must say the same thing before this sinks into everybody's mind.
The ONLY way to be reasonably sure the error gets fixed is:
Have the DESS Module replaced
AND
Have the Ignition Switch replaced.
Be proactive and TELL your Dealership these are the parts that need to be replaced and give them the Part Numbers!
DO NOT accept any other solution!
OR
Disable the system entirely!
I'm not going to post the part numbers again. I've done it and so has Deanna multiple times.
Believe, don't believe me, that's your choice.
AJ
AJ,
Even if you haven't had the problem in 18 months?????
2021 Marsala Red Metallic RT Limited
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09-03-2016, 02:50 PM
#550
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by RudyB
So how do you disable the system
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Connect an Engineering licenced version of BUDS (Mega Tech) to the bike and select the option on the Security screen.
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