DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

[PaladinLV]

BULL****!

Can I be3 any plainer

AJ

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

[PaladinLV]

Negative.

The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.

AJ

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I don't think that is possible as the electronics in each key are not powered up until they are in the vicinity of the ignition and receive an electrical signal from the antenna. However, if a second key is next to the first key when the ignition is turned on both keys MAY get activated and the digital signals from each get mixed up and cause an error. You can do with your Can Am keys and get a DESS error most every time. I have gotten the DESS error by having a Nissan key next to the Spyder key when I turned it on, but not every time.

Negative.

The key MUST be in the ignition switch in order to be activated. IF the/a key is merely in the vicinity (even on your rocker switches) it will not activate and if it were to activate, BRP has much bigger problems then a DESS module.

AJ

Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?

Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.

I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!

[PaladinLV]

REPEAT

NEGATIVE

AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.

Are you suggesting the DESS errors I saw during my experimentation were a figment of my imagination?

Try it. Put Spyder key #1 into the ignition.
Hold Spyder key #2 next to key #1.
Turn ignition on.

I'll bet you get the same DESS error I saw!

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

REPEAT

NEGATIVE

AJ
PS
Will be happy to once again repeat and provide photos.

You mean a couple of photos like these? The first shows the key error when the second key was next to the first key when ignition was turned on. The second photo shows the bike running with a non-chip key in the ignition and the chip key next to it.

2 chip keys.jpg Non chip in ignition.jpg

[Deanna777]

I do not know if this is correct or not, but I was told that if two chipped keys for different products, such as my Toyota and my Spyder are stored together, it can cause them to mess up the coding on each other. I was told that this information came from an auto manufacturer. I was not told which one. Just a thought.

Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".


Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna

[SpyDerSts]

Well,looks like we get to go pick up wife's Spydey again from repair in Springfield Ohio. (DESS replaced) Hopin of all hopes its Fixed fer good. I'm sure sumpthin else will (electronically) need repair eventually. It just seems that way....for now I want her to have her Spydey back so we can ride together and enjoy what's left of this warmer weather.

[Peteoz]

Technical Explanation" When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. The saturated changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S. module causing a bad lecture of the key chip".


Also, a quote from a BRP Tech " We have had cases where a cell phone or magnetic card, placed near the ignition switch cause this. This includes any device that may emit some type of frequency". ( end of 'quote).
Deanna

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

[jcthorne]

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.

[Deanna777]

Hi Deanna.....forgive my ignorance, but what initiates the DESS module sending its signal to the antenna? Is is simply the key being close proximity, or does the key have to be inserted?

Pete

Pete, See/read post #535 on this thread for the answer. Deanna

[irvin48]

cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.

did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv

[Deanna777]

cant remember if it was discussed, but when the ignition switch is replaced,
what happens to the rear lock ? do i get a new barrel? didnt have one put in
in wisconsin, so as a precaution my dealer is gonna do it when the new h/l's are installed.
that way everything is new again. have to buy another key blank now to cut,
for an uncoded rear spare too. thanks for any info.

did the ign switch get an upgraded part # too? irv

Joyce47, I posted ( on page 6 post # 126 title " new DESS module + Ignition switch fixed update 8/28/15" ) on what happened when I had my New dess module + Ignition switch replaced.

My dealership " replaced the rear trunk key lock". Also, get from your dealership a new trailer lock.

Keep us updated on what happens. Deanna

[Peteoz]

When you insert the key and turn on the ignition, the DESS module activates the chip in the key via the coil near the ignition lock cylinder.

Ahhhhhh. Thanks JC and Deanna. I was just curious as both my phone and chipped credit cards are within a foot of the key when I turn the ignition on.

Pete

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

.... ...Not crying or whining about it........... but it just happened AGAIN and Yes, I have the newest Module ...... Got the orange box with Key flash... then the Engine symbol!!! .... BUT NOT the "ENTIRE ORANGE SCREEN THING" ...... and the Spyder did re-start ............ I didn't have my spare key, No cell phone, No power lines, rural area yada yada........ This is way beyond my pay grade ......I posted this for info purposes only............... Mike

[Sam Mac]

5 gals of gas and a match, problem solved.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

5 gals of gas and a match, problem solved.

. I expected better from you Sam ........ Mike

[Deanna777]

Ahhhhhh. Thanks JC and Deanna. I was just curious as both my phone and chipped credit cards are within a foot of the key when I turn the ignition on.

Pete

Pete, When I am on the road, I have my cell phone, camera and other items in my trunk, and my spyder starts.

Also, I have the dess module part # 710004190 ( was installed on Aug. 28th 2015) and I know my dess module part # is not the latest.


The current/latest dess module part # is 710004916.

You are welcome for the info. Deanna

[Deanna777]

It is "year" today since I have had the 2nd D.E.S.S. module + Switch replaced. WOHOO!!!!!!
I hope I did not jinx my self.

Deanna

[PaladinLV]

I don't know how many times I must say the same thing before this sinks into everybody's mind.

The ONLY way to be reasonably sure the error gets fixed is:

Have the DESS Module replaced

AND

Have the Ignition Switch replaced.

Be proactive and TELL your Dealership these are the parts that need to be replaced and give them the Part Numbers!

DO NOT accept any other solution!

OR

Disable the system entirely!

I'm not going to post the part numbers again. I've done it and so has Deanna multiple times.

Believe, don't believe me, that's your choice.

AJ

......Not crying or whining about it........... but it just happened AGAIN and Yes I have the newest Module ...... Got the orange box with Key flash .. then the Engine symbol !!! .... BUT NOT the " ENTIRE ORANGE SCREEN THING " ...... and the Spyder did re-start ............I didn't have my spare key, No cell phone, No power lines, rural area yada yada........ This is way beyond my pay grade ......I posted this for info purposes only...............Mike

[Sam Mac]

......Not crying or whining about it........... but it just happened AGAIN and Yes I have the newest Module ...... Got the orange box with Key flash .. then the Engine symbol !!! .... BUT NOT the " ENTIRE ORANGE SCREEN THING " ...... and the Spyder did re-start ............I didn't have my spare key, No cell phone, No power lines, rural area yada yada........ This is way beyond my pay grade ......I posted this for info purposes only...............Mike

Mike

If you have the latest and greatest module and it is still acting up then it sounds like they don't have the problem solved. That sucks.

[Deanna777]

I don't know how many times I must say the same thing before this sinks into everybody's mind.

The ONLY way to be reasonably sure the error gets fixed is:

Have the DESS Module replaced

AND

Have the Ignition Switch replaced.

Be proactive and TELL your Dealership these are the parts that need to be replaced and give them the Part Numbers!

DO NOT accept any other solution!

OR

Disable the system entirely!

I'm not going to post the part numbers again. I've done it and so has Deanna multiple times.

Believe, don't believe me, that's your choice.

AJ

AJ, yes, I have posted the Part numbers several times for the D.E.S.S. module, and the IGNITION switch( part # is 710004413).



I posted the part number for the D.E.S.S. module/ and the ignition switch
when I had the D.E.S.S. module and the ignition switch replaced the 2nd time, in Aug 28th, 2015.

Deanna

[RudyB]

So how do you disable the system


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[MikeT]

I don't know how many times I must say the same thing before this sinks into everybody's mind.

The ONLY way to be reasonably sure the error gets fixed is:

Have the DESS Module replaced

AND

Have the Ignition Switch replaced.

Be proactive and TELL your Dealership these are the parts that need to be replaced and give them the Part Numbers!

DO NOT accept any other solution!

OR

Disable the system entirely!

I'm not going to post the part numbers again. I've done it and so has Deanna multiple times.

Believe, don't believe me, that's your choice.

AJ

AJ,
Even if you haven't had the problem in 18 months?????

[jcthorne]

So how do you disable the system


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Connect an Engineering licenced version of BUDS (Mega Tech) to the bike and select the option on the Security screen.