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07-11-2016, 05:28 PM
#476
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Originally Posted by Trbayth
Just got back from having my DESS module replaced. Part # is 710004916. Problem is, how long do you go without an error showing up before you declare it "fixed?"
I'll update the thread if something happens again.
It will be 1 year (at the end of August) for me since I have had the 2nd DESS module replaced Part # 710004190. Also, I have had the Switch replaced @ the same time( part # 710004413). Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
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07-11-2016, 05:58 PM
#477
Active Member
Originally Posted by Deanna777
It will be 1 year (at the end of August) for me since I have had the 2nd DESS module replaced Part # 710004190. Also, I have had the Switch replaced @ the same time( part # 710004413). Deanna
How much is that in miles, since it was replaced?
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07-11-2016, 07:58 PM
#478
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Jheck
How much is that in miles, since it was replaced?
I have roughly 13, 279 miles on my spyder now( give)as of 7/5/16.
I had the dess/switch replaced @ 8,740 miles on Aug. 28,2015. So I have roughly 4,539 miles on the dess/switch. Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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07-18-2016, 06:21 PM
#479
Very Active Member
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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07-24-2016, 04:00 PM
#480
My DESS Mdoule Replaced at 849 miles----here is the information
Just had my DESS Module replaced on a 2015 RT-Limited with only 849 miles on it.
The OLD Module #710004241
The NEW Module #710004916
For those of you keeping track and trying to see a common thread through all of this.
Hopefully this will be the ONLY issue for us with the DESS Module.
Thanks to all who helped during this issue!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:12 PM.
2015 RT-Limited SE6-TricLED Fender LED's (Red and Amber), 3rd LED Brake Light/Tail Light, ISCI Handbrake with black small hands handle,Spyderpops Rock Guard. ,Can-Am Adjustable Wing Vents, Bumpskid, Bajaron's Sway-Bar with metal Heim Joints. Elkas Stage 2 Plus., TricLED Wide-VU Mirrors, TricLED Jumper Port, Laser Aligned!
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07-27-2016, 08:54 PM
#481
who knew ?
Originally Posted by maxummike
Brought the bike in, i was able to get it started by turning the key on and off about 30 times. once i got it running headed down to the dealer. when i got there i shut her down and went to get the tech. sure enough it wouldn't start for him. He saw the blank screen and said he things the entire unit is going bad. I asked about the DESS and he said it was not that because i would never get it started. When i hear more I'll keep everyone posted. Thank you for your opinions, I'm learning a lot about Can AM's.
Well, the last time I posted I took the bike in and it was the gauge cluster - tach & speedometer. It did go bad. I was called & they said the bike was fixed. I get down there and they can't get it started. Had to leave another 4 days. Turns out that when the tech updated the software on the bike it got messed up. He reinstalled the software and everything is now working. I wouldn't have guessed it could be software AND the cluster. So now it runs great and it's great to be back on the road.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:14 PM.
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07-28-2016, 10:46 AM
#482
Very Active Member
Just a general question to throw out to everybody. Are there any 2015 RT's that have the 710004916 module from the factory? I'm guessing not. Then what about the 2016's do any of those have the new module in them when built?
2017 F3 Limited in Intense Red Pearl
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07-28-2016, 10:51 AM
#483
Very Active Member
System was supposedly redesigned for 2016
AJ
Originally Posted by Ex-Rocket
Just a general question to throw out to everybody. Are there any 2015 RT's that have the 710004916 module from the factory? I'm guessing not. Then what about the 2016's do any of those have the new module in them when built?
2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
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07-28-2016, 06:08 PM
#484
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Ex-Rocket
Just a general question to throw out to everybody. Are there any 2015 RT's that have the 710004916 module from the factory? I'm guessing not. Then what about the 2016's do any of those have the new module in them when built?
Good Question Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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07-28-2016, 09:40 PM
#485
Very Active Member
Well I was wondering, because I have a 2015 RTS and I haven't had the dreaded DESS failure. What I can't understand why some are having problems and other aren't? It really doesn't make sense. Of course I don't know if there has been some reprogramming of the module when the 2015 first came out or if something was added or taken out in the middle of the year or what. Just don't understand how some are effected or some are not.
2017 F3 Limited in Intense Red Pearl
2008 Triumph Rocket (SOLD)
2002 Honda VTX 1800 C ( SOLD)
2014 Triumph Thunderbird Commander
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07-29-2016, 06:03 AM
#486
Member
Does the Module have the part number somewhere on it? I have a 2015 RT Limited with almost 4,000 miles on it and luckily no problems. I'm not going to worry about it till it happens the first time. Then I will immediately take it in.
From reading it seems most except for a very selective few are 2014 models. Would you agree? How many 2015 models so far on this thread are there that have experienced this issue?
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08-02-2016, 03:12 PM
#487
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2015 F3S & this just happened to me... hubby @ work and spare key at home.... going to try to wait a few to see if that helps����������������������������
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:16 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 05:18 PM
#488
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Ex-Rocket
Well I was wondering, because I have a 2015 RTS and I haven't had the dreaded DESS failure. What I can't understand why some are having problems and other aren't? It really doesn't make sense. Of course I don't know if there has been some reprogramming of the module when the 2015 first came out or if something was added or taken out in the middle of the year or what. Just don't understand how some are effected or some are not.
I wonder the same thing.
Most 2014 RT owners have not suffered a DESS failure.
Deanna
Last edited by Deanna777; 08-02-2016 at 05:30 PM.
Reason: Changed wording in post
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-02-2016, 05:22 PM
#489
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08-02-2016, 05:29 PM
#490
Active Member
Wife's F3s Bad Key
Read my comments under the video post so you'll understand how and why I (mebbe) figured it out. My belief is that the issue lies within that (ring) that has a wire attached to it. I haven't seen anything about DESS onscreen, only (bad key)...
https://youtu.be/Nuxrz6qOR-Y
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:18 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 05:33 PM
#491
Active Member
Deanna: I don't know how/where to find the part number, or even what this exact module is....can you help?
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:19 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 05:36 PM
#492
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by SpyDerSts
Read my comments under the video post so you'll understand how and why I (mebbe) figured it out. My belief is that the issue lies within that (ring) that has a wire attached to it. I haven't seen anything about D E S S onscreen, only (bad key)
https://youtu.be/Nuxrz6qOR-Y
I did read your comments under the video, I do understand. Thanks for the video. Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-02-2016, 05:39 PM
#493
Originally Posted by SpyDerSts
Deanna: I don't know how/where to find the part number, or even what this exact module is....can you help?
The old part with the number 710004190, has been replaced by a new module, with part number 710004916
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:19 PM.
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08-02-2016, 05:39 PM
#494
Active Member
Originally Posted by Deanna777
Just wonderin whatcha think on that video???
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:21 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 05:51 PM
#495
Active Member
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
The old part with the number 710004190, has been replaced by a new module, with part number 710004916
Where are those numbers located??? And where is this module everyone keeps talkin about???
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:22 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 06:09 PM
#496
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by SpyDerSts
Deanna: I don't know how/where to find the part number, or even what this exact module is....can you help?
I got my dess module part # from my dealership's invoice. The rubber ring that has a piece of metal that is attached the module might be at the other end.
Some else that has an F3s should chime in to help. Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-02-2016, 06:38 PM
#497
Active Member
Originally Posted by PMK
There is probably nothing wrong with the "round ring" that is actually called the DESS Antenna. In order for the key to be energized, the key must be positioned inside the the center of the "round ring" so the electrical field will activate the key. Moving the "round ring" to the side, does not provide the field to energize the key.
As for why you see bad key, it could still be a DESS module failing or maybe the key is bad or the ECM key log needs to be reprogrammed.
After messing with both keys, and that Ring, nothing has changed other than being able to start the bike....I've blew compressed air and also used wd40 in and around the (ring) and the keyhole after the issue. So far alls well. Will keep everyone updated....have an appointment for 3k service on 10th, will make sure they have necessary parts available....
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:22 PM.
'15 F3S SE6 Pearly White (Hers)
'16 F3S SE6 Special Series Triple Black (His)
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08-02-2016, 07:03 PM
#498
Active Member
What about DESS clone keys?
Anyone had any luck getting an aftermarket key cut and cloned? Tried 1 and the key shop cut the key fine but could not clone it. Wonder if there is a way to get the bike to clone it with the pressing of a few buttons ect... Was able to do it on my old Mazda. Was funny way to do it but it cloned a new key fine. Wonder if anyone's tried.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 05:23 PM.
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08-03-2016, 07:23 AM
#499
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08-05-2016, 09:37 AM
#500
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Actually; it might be more accurate to say that "Most 2014 RT owners haven't suffered a DESS failure..."
Although to be 100% truthful: I don't know what the exact percentage is...
It's a "hit or miss" failure, of a part that is subcontracted out...
Does anybody know the failure rate between the 2014's & 2015's. Are the 2015's have a higher failure rate? What about the 2016's, how many has failed?
2017 F3 Limited in Intense Red Pearl
2008 Triumph Rocket (SOLD)
2002 Honda VTX 1800 C ( SOLD)
2014 Triumph Thunderbird Commander
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