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Box maneuver
Originally Posted by Brettssunshine
Wow, that's a nice, short class. In PA, all of the safety courses are free. The 2 wheel class provides the motorcycle and helmet for you but in the 3 wheel class, you have to provide the motorcycle. The two wheel course is 8 hours of classroom with a written test and 10 hours of riding drills with a riding test at the end which includes the dreaded "box" maneuver.
What is the box maneuver?
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Irresponsible!
I am absoultely appalled that there are states that don't require motorcycle endorsements!
Hurling down the road at 70 mph while sitting on a saddle and holding on to handlebars is quite different from driving a car. The skills and knowledge needed are different. It doesn't matter if you are on 2 or 3 wheels, the risk is the same, and the extra skills needed are vital. The reason for the motorcycle endorsement is to ensure that you have an understanding of the many skills needed to operate safely. Those states that allow people to just hop onto a motorcycle or a trike without passing a motorcycle skills test are irresponsible IMO.
Even if you live in one of those irresponsible states, you should spend the couple of hundred dollars to take a MSF approved motorcycle course. It could save your life.
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Originally Posted by gkamer
Depending on what you're riding you may or may not need a special endorsement.
If you have a… |
You… |
2-wheel motorcycle or scooter that:
- Is larger than 50cc
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- Can go faster than 30 mph
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Need a 2-wheel endorsement |
2-wheel motorcycle or scooter that:
- Is 50cc or smaller
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- Has a maximum speed of 30 mph
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Don’t need an endorsement |
2-wheel motorcycle or scooter with a stabilizing conversion kit installed. |
Need a 3-wheel endorsement |
Motorcycle with a sidecar |
Need a 3-wheel endorsement |
3-wheel trike |
Need a 3-wheel endorsement |
3-wheel vehicle with a seating area, safety belts, and a steering wheel |
Don’t need an endorsement |
Washington rules look similar to Virginia. Do they offer 3-wheel classes?
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Originally Posted by viperryder
Here is Ohio, if you have a two wheel license, it will allow you to ryde a three wheel vehicle. But if you get a three wheel license it will not allow you to ryde a two wheel vehicle. GWRRA in Ohio has a three wheel or Trike class, which cost $30 and is a one day class, 4 hour class and 4 hour parking lot drill.
I think the lady in my class already had a two-wheel license, but she just wanted to take a 3-wheel class to get some knowledge/experience.
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I have a motorcycle enforcement but in south carolina to drive a canam spyder all you need is a motor vehicle license.
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I took the Apex class in Woodbridge VA in July of 2013.
I already had my license, but it had been so many years since I rode, that I thought a class would be a good idea.
I learned a lot from the class, and feel the cost of the class plus the three nights at the Hampton Inn in Woodbridge was well worth the expense.
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Originally Posted by gkamer
What is the box maneuver?
It is being able to perform the figure 8 on your 2 wheel motorcycle within a lined box slightly larger than 2 parking spaces.
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Originally Posted by Hayfield
I took the Apex class in Woodbridge VA in July of 2013.
I already had my license, but it had been so many years since I rode, that I thought a class would be a good idea.
I learned a lot from the class, and feel the cost of the class plus the three nights at the Hampton Inn in Woodbridge was well worth the expense.
Cool. I have rode by and saw people taking the class in the mall parking lot.
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Washington State requires the 3wheeled license to be it's own and we have quite a few companies offering (Or at least we did when we got our license) throughout the year that offered classes and testing...
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Originally Posted by Kwalsh
in NY if you take test on a 3 wheel motorcycle then they give you a 3 wheel only restriction and there arent any can am only classes around and i am not sure if MSF offers the class to them ??
In Vermont I took a motorcycle coarse, it was on the week day ( Friday night written test, Sat. / Sunday driving, and it rained ) I rode 2 wheeled motorcycles that they provided, passed, then bought a 2012 RTS-SE5 took the driving test passed, and got my license.
When I went to take the driving test with my can am spyder, I was the last one to go, the other people had 2 wheeled motorcycles.
I got a M endorsement on my license and I also have a 3 wheel Restriction Card that Must carry with me at all times. Deanna
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Originally Posted by Pampurrs
I am absoultely appalled that there are states that don't require motorcycle endorsements!
Hurling down the road at 70 mph while sitting on a saddle and holding on to handlebars is quite different from driving a car. The skills and knowledge needed are different. It doesn't matter if you are on 2 or 3 wheels, the risk is the same, and the extra skills needed are vital. The reason for the motorcycle endorsement is to ensure that you have an understanding of the many skills needed to operate safely. Those states that allow people to just hop onto a motorcycle or a trike without passing a motorcycle skills test are irresponsible IMO.
Even if you live in one of those irresponsible states, you should spend the couple of hundred dollars to take a MSF approved motorcycle course. It could save your life.
Pam
I disagree, how do you know what people's abilities are?
DMV testing should weed out who can or cannot handle it, just like a car license.
And as w a car license, people hone their skills over time.
Ive driven/ridden all types of vehicle over the last almost 35 years and found myself very capable of driving a Spyder. I'm sure there are others just as capable.
Testing...of course.
Forced to take a course?...no
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
I disagree, how do you know what people's abilities are?
DMV testing should weed out who can or cannot handle it, just like a car license.
And as w a car license, people hone their skills over time.
Ive driven/ridden all types of vehicle over the last almost 35 years and found myself very capable of driving a Spyder. I'm sure there are others just as capable.
Testing...of course.
Forced to take a course?...no
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
I disagree, how do you know what people's abilities are?
DMV testing should weed out who can or cannot handle it, just like a car license.
And as w a car license, people hone their skills over time.
Ive driven/ridden all types of vehicle over the last almost 35 years and found myself very capable of driving a Spyder. I'm sure there are others just as capable.
Testing...of course.
Forced to take a course?...no
Not forced to take a course. Just take a motorcycle safety and skills test. If you're as good as you say you are, you don't need to worry about passing it. Here in Arizona they don't require that you take a course, just pass the test to get an endoresment.
A class never hurt anyone though. I've taken several advanced classes just to be as good as I possibly can. You can learn a lot in those classes. Well worth the money.
I just can't believe any state would just let people buy a motorcycle and go play in traffic without any skills. I'm appalled.
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Yeah, I see people on new bikes all the time that don't have a clue. In our state they make a licensed driver ride NEXT TO OR NEAR YOU if you're on your learners permit. Now that's just crazy lol
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I got my Learners Permit on a Wednesday, bought my Spyder on Saturday. Riding two and a half hours home on the interstate was the first time I had ever been on a bike. Got my license on Tuesday. Start to finish 7 days total. When taking the license test, the examiner had never given a test to anyone on a Spyder and didn't have a clue how to test me. He started laying out the cones about 4 feet apart and I looked at him like, are you kidding me. He finally picked them up and tried to do the test. I was able to do about half the normal test, and that was it.
Riding the Spyder felt very natural to me and I didn't have any problems. If you feel you need to take a course, by all means, take one. But having some basic logic abilities is all I feel you really need. I can kick most motorcyclists that I ride with a#@ on the twisties, and I didn't need a course to teach me that.
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
I disagree, how do you know what people's abilities are?
Well, that's kinda the whole point. Much safer to take the MSI course...and that does a darned good job of weeding out people who shouldn't be on bikes before they kill themselves or someone else.
IMHO.
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I have a motorcycle endorsement left over from my two wheel days. But Nevada just passed a new law that sypders not longer need to have a motorcycle endorsement. Just a regular driver license is required. Also with this new law riders of sypders do not have to wear helmets. This all went into effect on may 15, 2015.
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In NC, permit allows you do ride anywhere, at anytime, as long as you don't ride 2 up. I was surprised but I wasnt complaining. I actually passed the driver test before i had gotten my permit in the mail.
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Hey !!! New to the forum - new Spyder owner.....New cycle "driver"....always a "rider"......Would love to find a course where I could learn about the bike and get my motorcycle endorsement license....I have my permit and have been "practicing" on rural roads......does anyone know of such a course in NC ?
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After having the Spyder for three months, the wife now wants to learn to ride. She never had an interest on two wheels, she was happy being a passenger. I checked into a safety course for her, which Arizona now has a three wheel course. The two wheel course is $289.00, runs 16 hours, and they supply the motorcycle. The three wheel course is $489.00, runs 12 hours, and you have to supply your own bike. The math doesn't add up in my head. I am sending her to the two wheel course and then I will assist her on the Spyder. If she loves it I may have to go out and buy another one for me, poor me! F3?
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Originally Posted by Pampurrs
Here in Arizona you need a motorcycle endoresement to ride a trike or a Spyder. If it was up to me, a few years of motorcycle riding experience should be required first, but that's just me.
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Hawaii is the same and I couldn't agree more with you last statement.
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