"nanny"

[IGETAROUND]

I have a question for those more experienced with their spyders than I am. I came into a corner too fast and tried to steer through it, I was doing I thought ok until nanny kicked in. I must have lifted my inside tire because all of a sudden there is this very violent braking, enough to squeal the tires throttle went dead and the whole bike slewed sideways for a few feet and then power was restored to the throttle. Prior to all this I was in my own lane, when the above action was undertaken by the computer it forced me across the center line a small bit. Thankfully there was no oncoming traffic to contend with. Is the nanny always this abrupt and forceful when activated?? This certainly gets you attention when it happens. I'm sure it saved me from myself but wouldn't want that repeated every time she the (nanny) is awoken. Would appreciate others feedback.

Thanks

Al in Kalamazoo

[napper39]

if it was that much nanny take over you were way out of controll;it only reacts to how fast you are trying to tak a cruve,so now you know you need to slow dowen a lot .ive had it a frew times but at a much milder rate.but i knew what had happened..

[quadfather]

I haven't pissed it off enough to get it too apply the brakes yet , but it's constantly shutting down the throttle on me, usually when exiting a turn or pulling onto to a roadway while turning. I guess I just lean enough into the corner that I haven't hit it yet.

[Chupaca]

When solo ryding the nanny and I go round and round. She has never thrown me off course but does limit the fun factor at times. Generally brake, lugging the engine, when going to fast (to her) into turns and retarding the ignition (engine coughs chokes and sputters) when powering out at an unacceptable angle from a turn. But you will learn how to get around her a bit takes some practice and if you have a manual can still be wildly fun...

[laserracer]

Would the weight of the rider when cornering ever play a part with setting off the nanny...say for instance take 1 bike and 2 riders 1 light and skinny the other heavy and not skinny..if both were to ride the spyder into the same corner say at an excessive speed setting off the nanny.. would the heavier guy set the nanny off sooner than the lighter guy..or does it purely work on the bike itself

[DrewNJ]

Weight specifically? No, there is no weight sensor. But more weight not properly positioned when cornering hard sure can. But that same weight can also work to one's advantage if positioned properly too.

[DrewNJ]

Al, we're you on the brake at all through the curve?
Because it can do this when riding tight corners hard. When you try to use the brake to load the weight to the front, but stay hard on the throttle to sweep the back out slightly sometimes the system freaks out. It takes a little touch to pull it off.

[daveinva]

Handy tips to shush the Nanny:

1. "Lift and shift": move your butt on the seat to the inside of the turn, forward on the seat, push your head forward like you want to kiss the mirror, press your inside knee against the tank, and push off with your foot on the outside peg. Every little bit of weight on the inside wheel keeps that wheel on the ground and moving a little bit longer.

2. Jack up your stock suspension to be stiffer.

3. Invest in aftermarket shocks and a stiffer anti-sway bar.

4. Learn what the Nanny feels like, when it comes on, and in time, you'll come to *use* the Nanny instead of fighting it. For example, the Nanny hates off-camber curves-- the corner goes to the left, but the road is cambered to the right (common on mountain twisties where drainage is rudimentary). If you practice well enough, you'll learn to "read" the road angles and surface and steer the Spyder onto the flat parts of the road, or at best, put the inside wheel on a *lower* surface than the outside wheel, delaying when the Nanny engages.

Anyway, today I got hit by the Nanny something fierce, worst in a while-- but I knew why, it's all the crappy potholes and washboard around here after our winter, I had AWFUL lines around the good roads today. VERY frustrating, but once the roads get sealed up nice (AND I get some more practice in after lazy winter riding), I'll be back to rarely if ever hearing from my Nanny.

[bruiser]

There is a 'weight' sensor. It's called a passenger seat sensor. It does affect the VSS.

Normally the nanny isn't as aggressive as you descried. I've initiated a hard left turn where the inside front came off the ground and all nanny did was drop the rpm a little. I do drive a 2012 RTS SM5.

[DrewNJ]

There is a 'weight' sensor. It's called a passenger seat sensor. It does affect the VSS.

Normally the nanny isn't as aggressive as you descried. I've initiated a hard left turn where the inside front came off the ground and all nanny did was drop the rpm a little. I do drive a 2012 RTS SM5.

I don't know if I would consider that a weight sensor really. More of a "presence" sensor....lol. Its just an on/off switch and only detects the presence of a passenger at the tail, nothing more. So 350lbs of rider it sees differently than 200lbs or rider + 100lbs of passenger even though its 50lbs less weight.

Personally, I run with that switch closed/activated all the time as I like the braking better. But that's me.....
It does seem to modify vss and braking a bit. From what i can tell it does change braking slightly front to back and seems to be slightly more forgiving off camber......but what do I know....placebo effect??

Please, I recommend nobody modify any stock safety sensors on their spyder as to keep the forum police quiet.....thank you...[emoji8]

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

When I was on Hwy 3 between 36 and 299 coming home from SITR last summer Nanny kicked in several times. A couple of times I heard a tire squeal and I thought it was sliding going around the corner. The Spyder did dip to the outside some, as I recall, and throttle backed off. Later I decided that Nanny had hit the brake on the outside tire kind of hard and that's what caused the squeal. These were on corners signed at 15 or 20 mph and I went into them between 25 and 30. Here's a pic of a typical curve where Nanny kicked in, compliments of Google Street View.

[Roadster Renovations]

I sometimes think that there should be a beginner and expert "nanny" setting. When I first started riding, I needed her at lot more than now. Oh, well, it IS kind of fun figuring out just what she will let you get away with.

[garb55]

Just like a women to spoil all the fun

[Professor]

I wonder if sometimes when a ryder thinks nanny is spoiling their fun, she is actually saving their butt?

[Bob Denman]

For Nanny to have reacted like that; there's a whole lot more going on here, than we've been made aware of...

She saved your butt; be thankful for that!

[Spyda98]

Like Dave said..

Shift weight to the inside of the turn and you will blow through majority of the turns. And it is a lot more fun

[lwrydr]

I have over 11K miles on mt 2013 RTL and not had "nanny" kick in at any time.....but then I ride like an old man.....cause I am one....If she did kick it it
probably would scare the h*$$ out of me.

[vondalyn]

I suspect that the nanny didn't send you off into a different path, but instead she surprised you so much that you reacted to her, and your reaction caused you to veer from your path. That happened to me the first few times the nanny "helped" out. Once I got used to the feeling of her stepping in, I didn't really react to her. Dave's advice is spot-on. The more mobile you are in the saddle, the less she seems to step in. She will step in more with a passenger on board. I'm not sure if she senses the weight, but I do know that she was very forceful when my husband was on the back seat vs my mom. He weighs nearly 100 pounds more than my mom, so... either she knows the weight, or the added weight affected the spyder enough that the nanny reacted differently.

Bottom line, you'll get used to her and you'll learn to work with her and keep her happy. You can still have just as much fun, but you may be hanging off the handlebars and saddle like a monkey while doing it.

[daveinva]

Also, to add: EVERYBODY should set off their Nanny at least once to know how it feels when it happens.

My sure-fire way: full-lock donuts in a parking lot. Even shifted all the way to the inside, hanging off almost like I'm riding a sidecar hack, the fastest I can go is ~10-15 mph before the inside wheel lifts and the VSS kicks in.

[Bob Denman]

Make her show herself, to you...

[ARtraveler]

It does sound a bit like maybe to fast for the curve and nanny started to feel the dynamics to shut down the problem. No criticism of speed here, it's your ride.

I always use push pull on curves, plant the outside foot, grab the tank with my knees, and lean slightly into the curve. This method really does diminish the "g" forces a lot.

I can take twisties with most. Have never awoke "nanny" there.

I got into hydroplaning two times (early on), and "nanny" saved me by taking control and avoiding my doing a 360. Was doing between 60 and 65 when I hit water deeper than appeared. And "Awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy we go!"

50 mph in water will avoid hydroplaning if you must venture out in rain that bad.

[Mazo EMS2]

I woke her up today testing the new BajaRon swaybar. All she did for me was cut the throttle very briefly. First time I've felt it. Pretty cool

[IGETAROUND]

Al, we're you on the brake at all through the curve?
Because it can do this when riding tight corners hard. When you try to use the brake to load the weight to the front, but stay hard on the throttle to sweep the back out slightly sometimes the system freaks out. It takes a little touch to pull it off.

Thanks for the advise Drew, but no wasn't braking, but might have been on the throttle too early.

[IGETAROUND]

For Nanny to have reacted like that; there's a whole lot more going on here, than we've been made aware of...

She saved your butt; be thankful for that!

Bob don't know what else to tell you; however you are correct she did save my bacon, that much I am certain of!!

[Bob Denman]

I wasn't meaning to accuse you of anything; just wondering out loud...