CAT DELETE

[SPYD3R]

I just bought an F3-S, and i'd like to ask all you SL people a question....

IF YOU REMOVE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER (BRP = pre-muffler), has you dealer informed you that it will violate the warranty....?????

curious.....
Dan P
Easley, SC
SPYD3R

[happyspyder2039]

I just bought an F3-S, and i'd like to ask all you SL people a question....

IF YOU REMOVE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER (BRP = pre-muffler), has you dealer informed you that it will violate the warranty....?????

curious.....
Dan P
Easley, SC
SPYD3R

Although Illegal. People do it and aslong as you live where emissions testing is not done its probably not an issue. But

[Cruzr Joe]

Not illegal (except maybe in California) catalytic converters are not required on motorcycles.


Cruzr Joe

[happyspyder2039]

Not illegal (except maybe in California) catalytic converters are not required on motorcycles.


Cruzr Joe

My mistake! I didn't know that

[Gray Ghost]

I just bought an F3-S, and i'd like to ask all you SL people a question....

IF YOU REMOVE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER (BRP = pre-muffler), has you dealer informed you that it will violate the warranty....?????

There are different warranties on the bike. One is for the emissions system, and if you modify the emissions system, which includes the cat, then the warranty on that is usually considered void.

[Highwayman2013]

I hear of some dealers that will install the cat delete pipe.

[robmorg]

I just bought an F3-S, and i'd like to ask all you SL people a question....

IF YOU REMOVE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER (BRP = pre-muffler), has you dealer informed you that it will violate the warranty....?????

curious.....
Dan P
Easley, SC
SPYD3R

Dan,

My understanding of vehicle warranty law, at least in the US, is that a manufacturer cannot deny warranty due to an alteration unless they can ascertain that the defect they are denying warranty for happened as a result of the alteration. Obviously the manufacturer has some latitude in their interpretation of that situation, but at least they may have to defend their denial if challenged legally. The fact that the modification may be illegal in certain states is a separate issue. I've had the cat removed on my 2013 RT for safety reasons relating to the issues that BRP is now dealing with with the NHTSA. So they would be hard pressed to deny my entire warranty as a result of that modification; and in fact, they continue to provide me with warranty service.

I'm curious though, to know why you would consider removing the cat on an F3? I wouldn't think there would be much to be gained there in either the reduction of heat or the slight gain in HP.

[Lamonster]

Dan,

My understanding of vehicle warranty law, at least in the US, is that a manufacturer cannot deny warranty due to an alteration unless they can ascertain that the defect they are denying warranty for happened as a result of the alteration. Obviously the manufacturer has some latitude in their interpretation of that situation, but at least they may have to defend their denial if challenged legally. The fact that the modification may be illegal in certain states is a separate issue. I've had the cat removed on my 2013 RT for safety reasons relating to the issues that BRP is now dealing with with the NHTSA. So they would be hard pressed to deny my entire warranty as a result of that modification; and in fact, they continue to provide me with warranty service.

I'm curious though, to know why you would consider removing the cat on an F3? I wouldn't think there would be much to gained there in either the reduction of heat or the slight gain in HP.

Because the sound is great!

[bullant12]

IF YOU REMOVE THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER (BRP = pre-muffler), has you dealer informed you that it will violate the warranty....?????

Nope. And they don't need to say anything about it. Closest thing they are allowed to say is to look it up.

There are different warranties on the bike. One is for the emissions system, and if you modify the emissions system, which includes the cat, then the warranty on that is usually considered void.

So, from what you just have wrote; if the brakes on the Spyder go out, the warranty is void because I removed the "cat"...
Read below.

My understanding of vehicle warranty law, at least in the US, is that a manufacturer cannot deny warranty due to an alteration unless they can ascertain that the defect they are denying warranty for happened as a result of the alteration. Obviously the manufacturer has some latitude in their interpretation of that situation, but at least they may have to defend their denial if challenged legally. The fact that the modification may be illegal in certain states is a separate issue. I've had the cat removed on my 2013 RT for safety reasons relating to the issues that BRP is now dealing with with the NHTSA. So they would be hard pressed to deny my entire warranty as a result of that modification; and in fact, they continue to provide me with warranty service..

Correct. This is known as the Magnuson-Moss act. The dealer has to contact the manufacturer of ANY warranty work so if they find that the malfunctioning item went wrong because of unauthorized workmanship, then the manufacturer has the right to void the warranty and tell the dealer to charge the customer. Otherwise, it is up to the dealer to determine if the damage was caused by unauthorized parts and work. This is why your warranty won't be denied as long as the root cause of the issue was not caused by any alterations.

I'm curious though, to know why you would consider removing the cat on an F3? I wouldn't think there would be much to gained there in either the reduction of heat or the slight gain in HP.

with Lamont. I have compared the sound before and after on the F3 and it sounds more aggressive and you will be heard on the road!

[robmorg]

Because the sound is great!

Oh. Well yeah, there IS that. My 2013 RT sounds a bit deeper and throatier after the cat bypass. Not too loud though, with the stock muffler still in place. When I ordered it, the parts guy at PitBull said it would "make my spyder sound like a real bike".

That was fourth on my list of reasons for installing the cat bypass on my 2013 RTL. The first three were...

1. There is no longer a 1200 degree "furnace" sitting under my fuel tank in an enclosed space.
2. There is now less heat to cook my legs and butt in the summertime.
3. There is now a bit more low end torque - which is nice on the RT

[SPYD3R]

Because the sound is great!

BINGO.....
thx Lamont.....
Dan

[bzbaeren]

Where can I get a CAT delete I've looked and am not sure of where to buy one.

[kubie]

Where can I get a CAT delete I've looked and am not sure of where to buy one.

go to pitbull powersports on the web and get their phone # and call them to order one I don't
believe they have it on the sight..... you have to call

[Bob Denman]

This entire subject about "Deleting Cats", has my friend worried... Surprised Cat.jpg

[Gray Ghost]

So, from what you just have wrote; if the brakes on the Spyder go out, the warranty is void because I removed the "cat"...
Read below.

You missed this part of my post "There are different warranties on the bike. One is for the emissions system,..." There is a separate warranty on emission systems. And if you remove or modify the emission system, then the warranty on the emission system is no longer valid. So if your brakes are part of that, I guess your comment would be true.

Check http://transportpolicy.net/index.php...les:_Emissions.

[zuni]

Because the sound is great!

Only had ours a few days before making the change and very happy I did. The weight savings and potential heat reduction are all secondary to the sound!

CJ JAX

[bullant12]

You missed this part of my post "There are different warranties on the bike. One is for the emissions system,..." There is a separate warranty on emission systems. And if you remove or modify the emission system, then the warranty on the emission system is no longer valid. So if your brakes are part of that, I guess your comment would be true.

Check http://transportpolicy.net/index.php...les:_Emissions.

Agree to disagree. If there are issues with the exhaust and you did modify it, then yes, that would void the emission's warranty ONLY. Lots of people think that if you do this it automatically voids the whole warranty without even having the opportunity for the dealer to make the call.

[Magdave]

Just remember the EVAP canister, Purge valve and roll off valve as well as hoses are part of emission coverage. They go out you are SOL if the dealer voids emission warranty. 2 of those 3 have been known to quit working correctly.

[one2doo]

You can always put it back on if you have a problem.

[MikeinGA]

BINGO.....
thx Lamont.....
Dan

BINGO! Your going to cause climate change, it's the most dangers think ever. Now the end is near!



Mike

[Bob Denman]

I feel as if a little bit of "Global Warming" would seem pretty nice right now...

[Highwayman2013]

Climate Change!

[KennW]

I feel as if a little bit of "Global Warming" would seem pretty nice right now...

Come on out to Australia and you would experience all the heat one body could ever wish for. Come to think of it I would settle for some snow at the moment, can always add more clothes. I'm down to next to the least I can without getting locked up for indecent exposure and am still way to bloody hot. Apologies for off topic comment but hopefully a little humour is allowed ??
Cheers
Kenn

[Lamonster]

Just remember the EVAP canister, Purge valve and roll off valve as well as hoses are part of emission coverage. They go out you are SOL if the dealer voids emission warranty. 2 of those 3 have been known to quit working correctly.

Or you could just put it back on if you're really that worried about it.
I've been modding bikes for 15 years including blowers and nitrous and have never had a claim rejected that was legit.

[Gray Ghost]

...that would void the emission's warranty ONLY.

And if you read my post again, you will see that I said it would void the emission systems warranty.