NHTSA investigation update

[flamingobabe]

just to throw this in the pile.....my 2013 ST with 24k and some change has been running great since the flash and new side panels....and multiple other things BRP has done along with what Mark has done......but I put 12k on a very hot Spyder...how much damage was done that will show it's ugly face down the road.....all rubber parts are compromised ....plug wires already replaced....they were crumbling.....so who will be responsible......after a full days ride, 400 miles, I still have some gas boiling...but not as bad....I still get great mpg.....33 to 37....I'm I still running too lean.....time will tell....just afraid that BRP and NHTSA will just over look me....5 complaints and have never been contacted

[Magdave]

just to throw this in the pile.....my 2013 ST with 24k and some change has been running great since the flash and new side panels....and multiple other things BRP has done along with what Mark has done......but I put 12k on a very hot Spyder...how much damage was done that will show it's ugly face down the road.....all rubber parts are compromised ....plug wires already replaced....they were crumbling.....so who will be responsible......after a full days ride, 400 miles, I still have some gas boiling...but not as bad....I still get great mpg.....33 to 37....I'm I still running too lean.....time will tell....just afraid that BRP and NHTSA will just over look me....5 complaints and have never been contacted

Don't feel bad. I called BRP to check my case numbers and the one about the gas dripping is still open. I asked why no contact has ever happened and....crickets. There is plenty of mention of the "sport" models in the request which includes the ST and there is mention of the panels that were sent on a case by case request instead of a total recall. NTHSA has a good grip on what is going on I have exchanged several emails with the investigator who's email was mentioned earlier in this thread. He is more than interested to receive documented verifiable data from any owner including those who have made ,ESPECIALLY made confidential, deals with BRP to get off any of the 2013's. They will be treated confidentially by NHTSA. So if you have measurements of heat temp pictures, pictures of gas dripping etc they want to hear from you including any fixes you may have tried that made a difference and some after fix measurements showing improvements.

[Jeriatric]

"ESPECIALLY made confidential, deals with BRP to get off any of the 2013's."

BRP wouldn't do that. Would they?

[Magdave]

"ESPECIALLY made confidential, deals with BRP to get off any of the 2013's."

BRP wouldn't do that. Would they?

I know of a couple myself. Just not the way to do business and treat the rest of us. It shows they know they have a problem. Not recalling the ST's and only giving panels to those that ask is another poor deal. What about all the people who do not know about it?

[Jeriatric]

If one thinks back. NHTSA has not been in a very acommodating mood as far as manufacturers and their willingness to lend a blind eye to known problems goes. I wouldn't want to be one of the ones they are focusing on at this time.

[PMK]

From another forum and this applies to Toyota Tacoma trucks. They are having a recall based on the rear spring failing and puncturing the fuel tank with possible fires.


There is a new recall for the rear springs: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues

Report Receipt Date: SEP 29, 2014
NHTSA Campaign Number: 14V604000
Component(s):
All Products Associated with this Recall expand
Details close
4 Associated Documents expand
Manufacturer: Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing
SUMMARY:
Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing (Toyota) is recalling certain model year 2005-2011 Toyota Tacoma Pre-Runner and 4x4 vehicles manufactured September 14, 2009, to October 11, 2010. In the affected vehicles, one of the leaf springs may fracture due to stress or corrosion. While being driven, the broken leaf could move out of position and contact surrounding components including the fuel tank, possibly puncturing the tank and causing a fuel leak.
CONSEQUENCE:
If the fuel tank leaks fuel from being punctured, there is an increased risk of a fire.
REMEDY:
The remedy for this recall is still under development. The recall is expected to begin November 28, 2014. Owners may contact Toyota customer service at 1-800-331-4331.
NOTES:
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov.

PK

[PMK]

Just an idea on maybe letting those effected vehicles, and those posting about the heat concerns document in a common place. The attached file has a header and proper cell formats, but you get the idea.

PK

MODEL YEAR	MODEL	HEAT ISSUES Y or N	FUEL ODOR Y or N	FUEL DRIPPING Y or N	WRAPPED EXHAUST Y or N	INSULATED FUEL TANK Y or N	ADDITIONAL VENTING OF LOWER UNDERBODY Y or N	VEHICLE BURNED Y or N	EMAIL ADDRESS	COMMENTS (PROBLEM CONTINUES OR DOES NOT CONTINUE)

[Rick11Flor]

Not many as most people are like you and don't do research before they buy.



So what happened with the Lemon Law Suit? You say they have done nothing to repair your Spyder, were they ordered to repair it or did you lose the lawsuit?

I can't tell you over this forum but it is still on going and I think I will end up with a 14 with free warrenty🙈🙉🙊

rick&flor. thank you all

[Magdave]

I can't tell you over this forum but it is still on going and I think I will end up with a 14 with free warrenty������

rick&flor. thank you all

And that is another part of the problem problem IMHO. Some people are having confidential settlements with BRP. My state does not have a motorcycle lemon law.

[Bob Denman]

Dave,
I HOPE that you're not faulting him for that...
Wouldn't you take a new bike, if it was offered?

[Magdave]

Dave,
I HOPE that you're not faulting him for that...
Wouldn't you take a new bike, if it was offered?

Absolutely That isn't the point Bob very few are getting that kind of treatment but many have the same issues. I can't even get BRP to even try to resolve my open case over gas drips on the garage floor. That case is over a year old.

[spyder3]

Absolutely That isn't the point Bob very few are getting that kind of treatment but many have the same issues. I can't even get BRP to even try to resolve my open case over gas drips on the garage floor. That case is over a year old.

I think if proven that some "special" people got new bikes, that will open a can of worms for BRP....

[oldguyinTX]

Absolutely That isn't the point Bob very few are getting that kind of treatment but many have the same issues. I can't even get BRP to even try to resolve my open case over gas drips on the garage floor. That case is over a year old.

You are absolutely correct. I know of someone who had their engine replaced by BRP (no model or year can be mentioned) and this person is under a gag order from BRP not to post it on social media. This is what they do. They pick and choose, make settlements, and then impose gag orders if you want resolution. Hell of a way to run a company.

[SpyderAnn01]

I think if proven that some "special" people got new bikes, that will open a can of worms for BRP....

"Got" is probably not the right word to use nor is "special".

[SpyderAnn01]

You are absolutely correct. I know of someone who had their engine replaced by BRP (no model or year can be mentioned) and this person is under a gag order from BRP not to post it on social media. This is what they do. They pick and choose, make settlements, and then impose gag orders if you want resolution. Hell of a way to run a company.

I would think that that is a pretty typical way of running a company. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and those who squeak the loudest get the most grease. Just life.

[PMK]

I think if proven that some "special" people got new bikes, that will open a can of worms for BRP....

Amen brother...If this comes forward, especially in court, if true, it will be brutally difficult to hide or defend. As of now, I bet that program has stopped.

PK

[spyder3]

"Got" is probably not the right word to use nor is "special".

Semantics.

[Bob Denman]

"Words", is all that we have in here...

[WolfeeK9]

My 2012 RT Limited also has fumes emitting from it after a ride and I must leave garage door open for long periods after a ride to limit fumes in my garage. Even while sitting between rides it emits a gas fume smell but not as strong as after a ride. I do not over fill my tank I stop filling when handle of gas pump clicks off. I have had pressure at times when unscrewing gas cap also. I received and replaced with new cap as per BRP refitting of gas caps still have same issues.

[Magdave]

Just a word from the investigator. Although he is glad to receive emails you MUST go to the NHTSA website to file a complaint not by emailing him.

http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners

[crazyspyder]

I did file a complaint, my right to do so...but I believe this thread will soon be locked and closed soon. similar thread already done so.

[CruiseRT]

I did file a complaint, my right to do so...but I believe this thread will soon be locked and closed soon. similar thread already done so.

I think you are right.
I just talked with investigator and sent more information.

[Jeriatric]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAyDmJvjxbg

[cuznjohn]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FAyDmJvjxbg

did you hear about the guy that got aids in his eye, he also got it from looking for love in all the wrong places... sorry i had to hijack the post for that one

[finless]

I did file a complaint, my right to do so...but I believe this thread will soon be locked and closed soon. similar thread already done so.

The other post got closed by Lamont due to the posts about organizing a lawsuit. Stay off that subject and this should stay open!

Bob