Another disappointing model year

[billrob71]

Hi 1004,

Re: ugly colors

First: To each his own.

I've been thinking about this whole color thingy for some time. Why doesn't BRP just have the dealers stock each plastic panel in a number of colors. Then when you order your Spyder ( or buy a used one ) you just tell the dealer what color panel you want where. They are rather easy to remove/install.

Simple solution and works for the Smart cars. Although, I don't think the Smart car dealers stock the panels.

Thoughts?????

Jerry Baumchen

Think this is a GREAT idea , but for the. 15 RSS the color choice is not even a possible consideration , think I rather ride it naked

[Bob Denman]

Think this is a GREAT idea , but for the. 15 RSS the color choice is not even a possible consideration , think I rather ride it naked

Billy,
I'm sure that you're a handsome guy, and the envy of the other Husbands in your neighborhood; but please don't do that...

[billrob71]

Billy,
I'm sure that you're a handsome guy, and the envy of the other Husbands in your neighborhood; but please don't do that...

Naked spyder Bob not a Naked me

[Bob Denman]

Just making sure...
After all; Halloween is coming!

[billrob71]

Just making sure...
After all; Halloween is coming!

Yeah but my birthday already past so you have a year to prepare

[Bob Denman]

Mine too!
But I'm all set, for NEXT year already! untitled.jpg
Now; if somebody could just push me through the door...

[sledmaster]

On the F3, how do you know you won't like it until you try it?

I was very anti-cruiser in my mind, I KNEW I wouldn't like it. I didn't even want to like it. That's like going back to a 1995 MX Z in the snowmobile world, ick. I KNEW it would make it corner poorly sitting down and back like that.

But then I rode a couple of F3s, for two days, for 250 miles. I am proof that you should forget what you think you know and trust your butt. Try it before you discount it. If you have not ridden one then you should bite your tongue. The whole dynamic of how you hang onto the Spyder changes with the lower cg. You counter the lateral cornering forces far more with your legs and less with your arms. The sensation of getting thrown off the Spyder as you go around a corner is greatly minimized. I found this to be a profound difference. And I am NOT a cruiser rider, but one can not deny how the F3 feels and handles. With the rider's cg closer to the vehicle's roll center the lateral cornering forces are much less, so the rider feels far more stable. Instead of having to hang on with your arms, you hang on more with your legs so your arms are free for steering. The machine isn't nearly as twitchy, doesn't wander as much, far more predictable. First-time riders won't bitch and complain about how scary it is to ride a Spyder like they do now.

All I say is try one before thinking you know how it works and then decide for yourself. No, wait, do NOT ride an F3 unless you are prepared to buy one, because it might really bum you out if you ride one and can not buy it. I am dead serious here. When I got home and rode my ST-S after riding the F3, I was bummed. Now I am trying to figure out how to get rid of the GS and ST-S I have here before everyone figures out what the F3 rides like, because the used market will get loaded up and their values will go down even more.

RS & ST awful colors - there is quite a bit of carry over inventory right now of these models, so it is logical to make the 2015s a totally different color to attract different buyers. And, the belief is that the F3 will cannibalize a fair number of potential RS & ST buyers once people ride them and figure out how different it truly is. I am almost embarrassed to admit it, because I was so anti-cruiser and anti F3 when I first saw it. Ride it for yourself, then decide, you owe yourself the opportunity IMO.

[IrishGator]

I had the opportunity to get close last night in Daytona. I must say that my initial knee jerk reaction to the F3 was changed after putting hands on. I will be riding tomorrow morning. Although, due to the twin fans, the front trunk space is dramatically smaller. Although I overall like the F3, the loss of space may be that deciding factor. It barely holds a single helmet. Ugh!


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[Bob Denman]

We'll be awaiting your, "Report From The Saddle".

[aka1004]

If You Have Not Ridden One Then You Should Bite Your Tongue.
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I don't have to bite s#@#...

This post was about MY disappointment not anybody else's
I couldn't careless what your background is or what your riding impression is. I am just not gonna sit like that when I am riding.

[Bob Denman]

Too much coffee??
BRP never planned to make every bike, the PERFECT bike; for everybody...
Ride what you like!

[aka1004]

Too much coffee??
BRP never planned to make every bike, the PERFECT bike; for everybody...
Ride what you like!

If he had stopped at posting his opinion on F3, I would not even have replied.

[RotaxDuramax]

I really can't tell what BRP is trying to do with the RS with this line up this year.

Don't give me wrong, I love my RS, but I like my dad's RT just as much... hell, I'll be happy with anything with wheels.

If they are trying to attract younger buyers, they need price at or below $10,000.

[OJ UK]

The F3 is a cruiser and will never be able to hang with an RS in the twisties.

Both Lamont and Len from Pit Bull will probably disagree with that. It may be being billed as a Cruiser/HotRod

but it has a lower CoG and more useable torque and low down power so there is no reason that it won't keep up with

an RS through a set of bends.

[DrewNJ]

From what I'm reading the seat is 2.3" lower. With your legs pointing out in front of you.

[DrewNJ]

And the f3 is also 1/2" narrower and 1" shorter in length from what I'm reading.

[ttc]

I'm with the original poster in all but one respect, I like the blue 2015 RS-S color

No offence to the RT riders, but they're too 'grandpa' for me, I like the riding position of the RS-S (I am over 40 btw )

I would never buy a F3, not a cruiser person whatsoever, no way would I have a bike that you have the pegs out in front like that, I've looked and even on the furthest back position it's still a cruiser riding position. I like the look of the bike, I was very disappointed to see that they'd set it up like that, therefore I have no interest in test riding one.
But this is MY personal opinion, if we weren't all different they would only need to make one spyder model

[IrishGator]

So, Thursday went to Daytona and no rides available for the F3. Was told to come back Saturday and would be plenty of time to ride. Got there today at approx. noon and guess what? No rides available! The excuse was that all the slots had been reserved. Are you freaking kidding me? Why not tell me that we could schedule on Thursday. Well BRP, guess you lose this possible sale. Keep your F3. Considering trading out all together now.


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[Deanna777]

Too much coffee??
BRP never planned to make every bike, the PERFECT bike; for everybody...
Ride what you like!

Bob: ride the bike that you like and can you can afford. Deanna

[ARtraveler]

So, Thursday went to Daytona and no rides available for the F3. Was told to come back Saturday and would be plenty of time to ride. Got there today at approx. noon and guess what? No rides available! The excuse was that all the slots had been reserved. Are you freaking kidding me? Why not tell me that we could schedule on Thursday. Well BRP, guess you lose this possible sale. Keep your F3. Considering trading out all together now.


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Seems they could have made room for one more. I would have told them they were losing a sale because of this.

[chuck gross]

I think that BRP should apply the gas tank in front of the seat instead of under to the other models to get the lower center of gravity working across the board it would have been quite easy to have done this for the 2015 model line as well as a more powerful motor in the RS.
I think that we might see this change in design for 2016.

[IrishGator]

@ akspyderman- We did tell them that we are buying and that the ride in Daytona was the deciding factor. It was my wife's only chance to ride. Didn't matter to them. They would rather give the rides to would be "let's just check it out people instead of actual Spyder riders and people serious about buying.


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[tommyoneleg]

They need to make a real sport model with more HP and lighter. Love my 09 now that I added HP and took a lot off the bike but they need a real factor sport model, they have all the cruising models. Every bike company has them, they have a chance but soon competition will be coming and they will be sorry. Just my opinion from the other side of riding.

[Bob Denman]

I think that BRP should apply the gas tank in front of the seat instead of under to the other models to get the lower center of gravity working across the board it would have been quite easy to have done this for the 2015 model line as well as a more powerful motor in the RS.
I think that we might see this change in design for 2016.

I'm not an engineer...
But hanging a fuel tank that high on the chassis; might not have allowed the seating position, to be lo9w enough to really affect the center of gravity all that much...
It's just an opinion; but I think that it was moved solely for the purpose of changing the seating position.

Do we have any experts in here, that can provide some useful data?


(Besides; I'm also the guy who drips fuel all over an exposed tank... making it look pretty awful! )

[Flanker]

Same rs with ugly colors added, another new model I don't like...
If you like F3, good for you but it's just not for me. I don't like the look and I hate the ryding position.
I guess there is always next year but I wonder if rs is being faded out. 8 years old, not much cosmetically change...

Roger, roger!