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    Default "Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that..."

    Thinking about present day Nanny, and what the future could look like... Perhaps someday Siri and Nanny will join forces... ;-) and be telling us what's up!

    This article got me thinking...

    Having computers control your automobile is NOT a good idea...It's like having a HAL 9000 driving around with you.

    Read the enclosed article - This is why I am looking forward to a time in the future when the two vehicles I will be driving will be my 1963 Jeep and the 1966 VW Bug I am rebuilding in the barn out back..... I don't need or want a computer in control of my car.

    It's a car - not a laptop....The new cars are great, but take a look at a 7 year old computer and how it performs...that is the issue you will be dealing with when your new car gets older....and the cost associated with having it debugged...The computer allows your every movement, your every action to be tracked and recorded.

    My old Jeep and the VW will never have those issues.

    'Your' Car Won't Be After 2015
    By Eric Peters on 4.25.12
    After a certain point, it's not paranoia.

    The latest brick in the wall is the predictably named "Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act," also known as Senate Bill 1813. (See here for the full text of the bill itself; the relevant section is 31406.) This legislation -- already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House -- will impose a legal requirement that all new cars made beginning with the 2015 models be fitted with so-called Event Data Recorders (EDRs). These are the "black boxes" you may have read about that store data about how you drive -- including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive -- ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.

    These EDRs are not new. GM and other automakers have been installing them in new cars for years -- in GM's case, since the late 1990s. What's new is the proposed federal mandate, which would make it illegal to not have one -- or (in all likelihood) to remove or disable one in a car required to have the device.

    The question arises: why?

    Several possibilities come to mind:

    First, the EDRs could be -- and almost certainly will be -- tied into your vehicle's GPS. (Most new and late model cars, conveniently, already have this, too.) Then data about your driving can be transmitted -- as well as recorded. To whom? Your insurance company, of course. Progressive Insurance already has such a system in place -- voluntary, for the moment.

    When EDRs are mandated, you will no longer have a choice.

    We'll be told it's all for the sake of (groan) "safety" -- just like the old 55 MPH highway speed limit and every radar trap in the country. Of course, it's really for the sake of revenue -- the government's and the insurance company's. Your rates will be "adjusted" in real time, for every incident of "speeding" or not buckling up. It'll be so much more efficient than using cops to issue tickets. After all, so many fishes escape! With an EDR in every car, no one will escape. Your "adjusted" premium will be waiting for you when you get home.

    You've got mail!

    And naturally, they -- the government, insurance companies -- will be able to track your every move, noting (and recording) where you've been and when. This will create a surveillance net beyond anything that ever existed previously. Some will not sweat this: After all, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry? Except for the fact that, courtesy of almost everything we do being either "illegal" or at least "suspicious," we all have a great deal to hide. The naivety of the Don't Worry, it's No Big Deal crowd is breathtaking.


    But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car's GPS will give them -- the government and/or corporations -- literal physical control over (hack) "your" vehicle. This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely. Just turned off. All the OnStar operator has to do is send the appropriate command over the GPS to your car's computer, which controls the engine. It is one of the features touted by OnStar -- of course, as a "safety" feature.

    In the future, it will be used to limit your driving -- for the sake of "energy conservation" or, perhaps, "the environment." It will be the perfect, er, vehicle, for implementing U.N. Agenda 21 -- the plan to herd all of us formerly free-range tax cattle into urban feedlots. So much easier to control us this way. No more bailing out to the country or living off the grid - unless you get there (and to your work) by walking.

    The pieces are all coming together.

    First, computer-controlled cars. Next, widespread adoption of GPS in cars. Then, EDRs tied into them.

    Viola. "Your" car is suddenly under the control of others. Just as "your" other (cough, hack) property -- "your" home, for example -- is under the control of others. It does not matter that you paid for it. Or even that you have the legal fiction of ownership. You do not control "your" property -- hence it is really the property of others. You are merely allowed to use said property -- under certain conditions -- by the leave of the true owners.

    And once SB 1813 is passed and signed into law, there will no longer be an opt-out. In fact, sure as the rooster crows in the morning, you can bet the next step will a law requiring older cars not originally fitted with the technology be fitted with it -- or else decommissioned. It is inconceivable that they -- the government and its insurance company cronies -- will allow anyone to drive a vehicle not subject to this monitoring and control. They will insist it's not "safe" -- and of course, "unfair" that owners of older cars not equipped with EDRs are able to "get away" with "speeding" and not wearing their seat belts.

    Our cars were once a tangible expression of the freedom ideal. They are fast becoming mobile cages. And the really devilish thing is they're making us pay the costs of our own imprisonment, too.

    About the Author
    Eric Peters is an automotive columnist and author of Automotive Atrocities: The Cars You Love to Hate (Motor Books International) and a new book, Road Hogs.






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    So; what do you prose doing about it?
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    Default Not for me to do anything about

    I think it may actually be a good idea in some aspects.
    Sure if it helps slow drivers speeding habits, save lives.
    Reduce insurance premiums? You know this could be true.
    Big plus, less accidents, less fatality on the city roads and highways.

    But yeah, who likes having a back seat driver?


    Unless you married her... ;-)

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    I really don't care if they look over my shoulder...
    I try to live, with nothing to hide!
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    I dont think this would lower insurance premiums what so ever. They will use it to just raise them more.

    I remember when the gas prices shot up to over $5 / gal and the president comes on the tv to tell people to drive less and carpool.

    Then the govt realizes that they are loosing money from the tax on the gasoline sales so all they did was raise the tax on it to recoup their $$$.
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    We can be optimistic or pessimistic. Rather look on the brighter side?

    Either way, won't change how the gov. treats us. And we voted them suckers in...

    Ah, and it doesn't matter who you vote for, the Government always gets in... :-(

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    WAIT A MINUTE!!!
    Are you SURE that you're not in the United States??
    You sure sound like us!
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    Default Climb the fence

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    I'm over here, our grass is always greener. Hahaha

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    If only you guys had a Territorial possession in an area of the Globe that was warm...
    Oh! And if those draconian Gun Control measures disappeared!
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    I don't think it's just for safety. They've been trying (in Calif, I think) to get a tax on miles driven. Since cars are more efficient now, they gas tax isn't netting the state the same revenue/mile it used to. Also, concerning homes, in Calif, they want the ability to turn off power to homes during certain times. So the article isn't so far out there as you'd think.

    Like Bob, I'm not so concerned about the insurance companies or gov't knowing where I am or how I'm driving. It's creepy, but it's also knowledge they could collect in other ways. But I don't want them to tax me just for exercising my right to amble.
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    I have thought about some of this stuff also. Not much more I will say though. Maybe George Orwell was just a bit ahead of his time.

    I still say that a lot of the stuff we see in movies is about 50 years ahead of its time. Do some remembering or checking. I am not completely wrong.

    Laugh, but be careful out there.

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    Default I like my Nanny

    Ironic that this topic came to light today. In the way home this afternoon I ran into some rain and yes the big wheel started fishtailing, before I could react Nanny cut the power (moderately) and got me going straight again. Not once but twice in rapid succession. (Just like the old days) And I have video to prove it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ironic that this topic came to light today. In the way home this afternoon I ran into some rain and yes the big wheel started fishtailing, before I could react Nanny cut the power (moderately) and got me going straight again. Not once but twice in rapid succession. (Just like the old days) And I have video to prove it!

    I would probably have pucker marks on the seat after that.
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    Progressive Insurance's snapshot? It plugs into your car and they use it to monitor your driving with the promise of lower rates.

    It's already begining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Princeau99 View Post
    I would probably have pucker marks on the seat after that.
    My butt muscles, would have just about ripped the vinyl covver off of the seat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ironic that this topic came to light today. In the way home this afternoon I ran into some rain and yes the big wheel started fishtailing, before I could react Nanny cut the power (moderately) and got me going straight again. Not once but twice in rapid succession. (Just like the old days) And I have video to prove it!
    Funny, I also got caught in the rain this week. The harder it rained, the harder I rode. She never even quivered or shimmied once. It made me feel safe, secure and proud to have such a solid footed feeling on extremely slippery surfaces. We flew like the wind.

    I know how you must have felt, but my experiences so far have been Very Unlike that momentary feeling of complete & utter helplessness when the old Ninja back wheel does the boogaloo...

    We are on very different behaving machines too, though.

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