1330 OIL REPORT

[PW2013STL]

Thinking 9300 miles between oil change is a bit to long I changed it at 6000 miles (9000 on the Spyder) and sent a sample to Blackstone Labs to be tested. Received the report yesterday. Everything came back positive and with a recommendation to wait until 8000 for the next change.
Looks like BRP got this one correct

I changed over to Mobil 1 10-40 and will wait the 9300 miles and have it tested again

[Highwayman2013]

Would be nice to see if the BRP oil would go the distance. This is very interesting and thanks for posting your results.

[sddinnh]

Like you, I thought 9000 was a bit optimistic so I've been changing mine at 4000 intervals. I've just been using BRP oil.

[ulflyer]

Thinking 9300 miles between oil change is a bit to long I changed it at 6000 miles (9000 on the Spyder) and sent a sample to Blackstone Labs to be tested. Received the report yesterday. Everything came back positive and with a recommendation to wait until 8000 for the next change.
Looks like BRP got this one correct

I changed over to Mobil 1 10-40 and will wait the 9300 miles and have it tested again

That a great report. Could you copy and paste the report here for us to see the numbers? I'd especially like the numbers after cST100c.

[PW2013STL]

That a great report. Could you copy and paste the report here for us to see the numbers? I'd especially like the numbers after cST100c.

I have been trying, but so far no luck. The number for that is 8.36 and the range is listed at 6.0-9.7

[Jim&Teresa]

I have been trying, but so far no luck. The number for that is 8.36 and the range is listed at 6.0-9.7

Hi Les,

Is this the Mobil 1 you use? Mobil 1 10W-40 Full Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 1 qt. It says "Racing 4T" on the front in the red portion of the bottle.

[PW2013STL]

Hi Les,

Is this the Mobil 1 you use? Mobil 1 10W-40 Full Synthetic Motorcycle Oil, 1 qt. It says "Racing 4T" on the front in the red portion of the bottle.

Jim,

That is the one. AutoZone $8.99 per qt.

[ulflyer]

I have been trying, but so far no luck. The number for that is 8.36 and the range is listed at 6.0-9.7

I'm really puzzled; at 8.36 the viscosity has dropped down into the 20W zone, according to: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/

To further confuse me, a major lab I've been using, ALS, reports numbers in the 11.6 and below as "caution" and once I got a 10.1 and they flagged it "danger".

The question I've never been able to get answered is how low can the viscosity shear down to and still be viable?

Obviously, the two labs have different views, and BRP says 9300 miles is good. Have to admit, Blackstone's report makes one feel comfortable with whatever oil one is using.

Maybe I'll sent my next test to both labs and see what the results are.

[PW2013STL]

I'm really puzzled; at 8.36 the viscosity has dropped down into the 20W zone, according to: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/viscosity-charts/

To further confuse me, a major lab I've been using, ALS, reports numbers in the 11.6 and below as "caution" and once I got a 10.1 and they flagged it "danger".

The question I've never been able to get answered is how low can the viscosity shear down to and still be viable?

Obviously, the two labs have different views, and BRP says 9300 miles is good. Have to admit, Blackstone's report makes one feel comfortable with whatever oil one is using.

Maybe I'll sent my next test to both labs and see what the results are.

After reading this I finally got around to asking them about it and here is their response.

"Hi, Les. Thanks for the email.

If this is supposed to be a 5W/40 oil, then that does change our report slightly, because the viscosity reading is quite low for a 5W/40. The viscosity wasn't listed on your oil slip, just the brand name, so when the sample read in the 5W/20 range, that's what we logged it in as.

This reading would be low for 5W/40 (the MSDS lists the approximate viscosity for this type of oil at ~14.5 cSt, and your reading was just 8.36 cSt), although since that's the only thing reading out of line, we don't see any obvious cause for the viscosity to read so low. The flashpoint was fine, so fuel dilution doesn't seem to be a concern, and no mechanical problems were found. Some types of oil just tend to naturally shear the oil down, so that might be what's going on here, and that's not a problem as long as wear isn't affected.

All in all, it's still a nice report, just with a slightly lower viscosity than we would have expected. No other problems found. Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you. Thanks!"

Travis Heffelfinger
Blackstone Laboratories
416 E. Pettit Ave.
Fort Wayne, IN 46806

If you do send in yours for testing please let us know what you find. I will now do my next change at 6000 and see how Moble 1 preforms.

[ulflyer]

After reading this I finally got around to asking them about it and here is their response.

"Hi, Les. Thanks for the email.

If this is supposed to be a 5W/40 oil, then that does change our report slightly, because the viscosity reading is quite low for a 5W/40. The viscosity wasn't listed on your oil slip, just the brand name, so when the sample read in the 5W/20 range, that's what we logged it in as.

This reading would be low for 5W/40 (the MSDS lists the approximate viscosity for this type of oil at ~14.5 cSt, and your reading was just 8.36 cSt), although since that's the only thing reading out of line, we don't see any obvious cause for the viscosity to read so low. The flashpoint was fine, so fuel dilution doesn't seem to be a concern, and no mechanical problems were found. Some types of oil just tend to naturally shear the oil down, so that might be what's going on here, and that's not a problem as long as wear isn't affected.

All in all, it's still a nice report, just with a slightly lower viscosity than we would have expected. No other problems found. Hope that helps. Let me know if there's anything else we can do for you. Thanks!"

Travis Heffelfinger
Blackstone Laboratories
416 E. Pettit Ave.
Fort Wayne, IN 46806

If you do send in yours for testing please let us know what you find. I will now do my next change at 6000 and see how Moble 1 preforms.

Thanks for sharing the above report from Blackstone Lab. Glad to know I am not out in left field as far as oil shearing goes. While the Lab says, in effect, that as long as wear is not affected, running an oil that has sheared down that much is ok. The question is, how will you know there has been undue wear, until its already happened? For that reason, I'm likely to continue changing oil at no more than 4000 miles.

I like to dabble with oils and will continue to do lab tests whenever I use a diff oil. Right now I'm still running the
Rotella T Dino with about 2000 mi on it and when it reaches
3000 mi I'll send a sample in. Will let you know the results when I get them and would love to see a test on Mobil1.

[Highwayman2013]

So we can conclude that BRP blend is just fine.

[MarkLawson]

Early SpyderLover posts suggested Mobil 1 (motorcycle) cause permanent clutch damage on the Spyder. I don't know if that is still the case, but wanted to throw this out there.

[PW2013STL]

Early SpyderLover posts suggested Mobil 1 (motorcycle) cause permanent clutch damage on the Spyder. I don't know if that is still the case, but wanted to throw this out there.

Most likely they were using the auto formula. I have never had an issue with the motorcycle formula and clutches.

[MarkLawson]

See post #3 on this old thread: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ighlight=Mobil

[Bob Denman]

If Scotty said it; I'd believe it!

[PW2013STL]

See post #3 on this old thread: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ighlight=Mobil

Interesting read.

Looking at my owners manual is states "SL, SJ, SH, SG, or higher" Nothing about "API SM rating, which is expressly prohibited by BRP"

Mobil's web site states "According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is of the following quality level:
API SH
API CF"

[mindman]

Great report. Thanks for posting it. I was concerned too.

[Chupaca]

glad there are those testing things out. Brp must have run some tests upping the 998 oil change 1,600 miles to every 4,600 miles. But good to know the 1330 spec's are close according to your report...

[Purple Guy]

To throw my hat into the discussion...
I too am a big beleiver in full synthetic oil and use it in all my vehicles.
I just had my 2014 RT-L in for it's first service and had them use BRP's full synthetic when they did the oil change.
Now I've only put about 200 miles on it since but it seems to me that it doesn't shift as smooth as it did with the blended oil. (a little more clunky)
I'm off on a nice 10 day road trip, dipping into the US for a few days (that's right, the Canadians are coming) so I'll get a better feel for it.
Just wonder if maybe it's to slippery for the tranny???
Has anyone else gone to full synthetic in the 1330???

[ulflyer]

To throw my hat into the discussion...
I too am a big beleiver in full synthetic oil and use it in all my vehicles.
I just had my 2014 RT-L in for it's first service and had them use BRP's full synthetic when they did the oil change.
Now I've only put about 200 miles on it since but it seems to me that it doesn't shift as smooth as it did with the blended oil. (a little more clunky)
I'm off on a nice 10 day road trip, dipping into the US for a few days (that's right, the Canadians are coming) so I'll get a better feel for it.
Just wonder if maybe it's to slippery for the tranny???
Has anyone else gone to full synthetic in the 1330???

I used Amsoil for one 4000 mile run but could tell no difference in shifting from the previous fill of Castrol Blend. Now running Rotella T (dino) with 2000 mi on it and can't tell any diff.
On BITOG forum, a lot of bike owners say they can definitely tell a difference with certain oils sometimes its dino only and sometimes synthetic, so I suppose it might make a difference.
On my previous 998 I thought it shifted smoother when I used Castrol Blend (which some say is what BRP Blend is).

[jerpinoy]

Now the my confusion is so clear to me thanks guys.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

......This oil has been OK'd by PEOPLE WHO KNOW OIL( here ) .......and is the least expensive FULL SYN that I have found ....Rotella T-6 5w 40 sells at Walmart for approx. $22 per Gallon..................This oil meets or exceeds all BRP warranty requirements ...............Mikeguyver

[Tango]

......This oil has been OK'd by PEOPLE WHO KNOW OIL( here ) .......and is the least expensive FULL SYN that I have found ....Rotella T-6 5w 40 sells at Walmart for approx. $22 per Gallon..................This oil meets or exceeds all BRP warranty requirements ...............Mikeguyver

Mike is the Rotella "JASO MA or MA2"? Tom

[Tango]

I just had my 14 RT serviced. I asked for full synthetic. They called and said they had none in stock. I asked for Amsoil 10-40. The reply was, BRP specifies 5-40. They do not stock the BRP full synthetic. So I ok'd the BRP semi-syn.. I have to think about what to use next time. They will NOT use anything but 5-40. Only known oil I know of is Bel Ray, and Shell Rotella. BTW my first 3,000 mile service was $231 with tax. Tom

[Huddleston]

Mike is the Rotella "JASO MA or MA2"? Tom

For whatever it is worth, Wikipedia says:

JASO-MA[edit]

JASO is an acronym that stands for "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization." Among other things, they set standards for oil to be used in motorcycles.
Shell Rotella T 15W-40 conventional oil does list on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets. Note that the 10W-30 conventional oil does not list JASO-MA.
The newer fully synthetic T6 5W-40 oil lists JASO-MA compliance on its packaging and on the Rotella website.

I could not find this info on the Rotella website.