What gas do you use?

[SNOOPY]

Why???

He works for the government and we're gonna have to start registering the fuel octane we use. Then they are going to limit how much we can buy at a time. Then they'll start in places like NYC making it illegal to buy period....then all the hybrid people will push to try to have our constitutional right to buy gas banned from the US.

What is the world coming too??


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[SNOOPY]

Okay, backing away from the keyboard...

[Kraut]

WHAT'S ETHANOL FREE?

[Pirate looks at --]

No added ethanol. I believe that winter blends contain ethanol, at least in California.

[Dan_Ashley]

Does anyone have any kind of idea where I could find 93 and/or ethanol free in California?
Anywhere at all?

I've not been able to find it. ...and I was told that it is too dangerous to make it in my garage...
Anyone know where I can get either 93 or ethanol free in the People's Republic of California?

[Pirate looks at --]

Not in Cali unless they are breaking the law.

[SNOOPY]

I'd move.

[CanAmKidd]

You need to read the details to be sure the station is current.
http://pure-gas.org/

[Dragonrider]

Sorry, it's pure-gas.org now.....

BlytheUNBRANDED91Parker Oil [760-922-7600]391 S Main StN33.60389 W114.59935details
BradleyUNBRANDED89Lake Nacimiento Marina [805-238-1056]10625 Nacimiento Lk DrN35.78930 W120.87805details
BradleyUNBRANDEDLake San Antonio Marina [805-472-2313]74255 San Antonio RdN35.81536 W120.97960detailsCorningUNBRANDED93Northern Lights Energy [530-824-3204]1819 Solano StN39.92771 W122.19008details
EurekaUNBRANDED91 92Renner Petroleum [707-443-1645]1100 W 14th StN40.79426 W124.18354details
FortunaUNBRANDED91Renner Petroleum [707-725-2364]2435 Newburg RdN40.59170 W124.14071details
GarbervilleUNBRANDED91Renner Petroleum [707-923-3380]76 Bear Canyon RdN40.10976 W123.79529details
LeggettUNBRANDED91Leggett Patriots [707-925-6099]67670 Hwy 271N39.86477 W123.71492details
ReddingUNBRANDED93Northern Lights Energy [530-241-2196]2340 Wyndham LnN40.56153 W122.38740details
San DiegoVP RACING100Crown Point Auto Center [858-866-0230]3804 Ingraham StN32.78875 W117.23749details

[SNOOPY]

You need to read the details to be sure the station is current.
http://pure-gas.org/

No where near me.

What do you all think the ethanol is doing to you?

If you're constantly running fresh gas through your bike what is it effecting?

Ive heard about it deteriorating fuel lines and such, but that's over about 8-10 years.

What else?

[Wiredux]

The Octane number a figure indicating the antiknock properties of a fuel, based on a comparison with a mixture of isooctane and heptane. I use recommended when i can.

[CanAmKidd]

Ethanol can cause a lean condition. Not much but enough to cause popping on deceleration.

[BajaRon]

I'd move.

I did...

[BajaRon]

A few years ago I did a trip from east Tennessee to San Diego and back. Consecutively ran several tanks of each octane starting with regular. All tanks were ethanol (up to 10%). Regular and mid grade mileage ran very close to the same with a slight edge to Mid-Grade fuel. Premium consistently got me about 2-3 mpg better. I did not count mileage with significant city or non-freeway driving.

I repeated this same process going back to east Tennessee. Started with regular for about 1/3 of the trip and ended up running premium the last 1/3 with the same results. It's about 2,200 miles one way so we are talking 5-6 fill-ups for each fuel grade each way.

We know that the Spyder has the ability to run on regular fuel as the computer will retard ignition timing to prevent knock. Though this will work, it is not ideal as retarded ignition reduces power and mileage. If you run regular fuel in conditions where the computer does not need to retard ignition timing to prevent knock then you probably will not see an improvement in fuel mileage or power running premium fuel.

[Magdave]

A few years ago I did a trip from east Tennessee to San Diego and back. Consecutively ran several tanks of each octane starting with regular. All tanks were ethanol (up to 10%). Regular and mid grade mileage ran very close to the same with a slight edge to Mid-Grade fuel. Premium consistently got me about 2-3 mpg better. I did not count mileage with significant city or non-freeway driving.

I repeated this same process going back to east Tennessee. Started with regular for about 1/3 of the trip and ended up running premium the last 1/3 with the same results. It's about 2,200 miles one way so we are talking 5-6 fill-ups for each fuel grade each way.

We know that the Spyder has the ability to run on regular fuel as the computer will retard ignition timing to prevent knock. Though this will work, it is not ideal as retarded ignition reduces power and mileage. If you run regular fuel in conditions where the computer does not need to retard ignition timing to prevent knock then you probably will not see an improvement in fuel mileage or power running premium fuel.

So is there a knock sensor in the Spyder? I assume their is but am I right?

[BajaRon]

So is there a knock sensor in the Spyder? I assume their is but am I right?

Yes. You're right.

I'd say that every modern vehicle with a computer has anti-knock programming. Pre-ignition (which causes knock) also greatly increases harmful emissions so it's pretty much a standard component these days.

[SNOOPY]

Yes. You're right.

I'd say that every modern vehicle with a computer has anti-knock programming. Pre-ignition (which causes knock) also greatly increases harmful emissions so it's pretty much a standard component these days.

I thought we all agreed not to tell Dave he was right about something?





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[jcthorne]

It Recommends 91 with a minimum of 87. Try to use Top Tier gas. I used to like Texaco until it moved out of SC it had Techron in it probably the best fuel system cleaner on the market. If you look at the bottles you can see many major Auto companies rebrand it and call it their own. It is a good thing to add a few ounces every now and then.



http://www.toptiergas.com/

Your manual is out of date. Look at the certification sticker under the seat. It is 91 MINIMUM on the 2013s.

[Magdave]

Your manual is out of date. Look at the certification sticker under the seat. It is 91 MINIMUM on the 2013s.

It is a BRP service manual for a 2013 how can it be out of date?

pg 59 of the owners manual says the same thing as I quoted. 87 min recommended 91.

[Raptor]

Chevron Premium here. I know it's expensive but the engines just run better on it. Gas is getting so bad out here I am afraid to put anything else in it. That ethanol crap is an engine killer...

[bscrive]

For the Spyder, running ethanol fuel in it will not do any harm. The harm with ethanol is with the older bikes that used rubber seals. Ethanol will harden the rubber and eventually leak. Newer engines like the Spyder use neoprene gaskets that are not affected by the alcohol in the ethanol. Any newer 4 stroke engine runs fine on it. 2 stroke engines are another thing. Ethanol runs hotter and it will kill a small engine.

[Dat Guy]

It is a BRP service manual for a 2013 how can it be out of date?

pg 59 of the owners manual says the same thing as I quoted. 87 min recommended 91.

Always go with the safety and instruction stickers that are actually on the vehicle. Those are regulated, inspected and required by state and in some cases federal government and must be accurate, whereas manuals are not under the same scrutiny and can sometimes have typos and errors as a result.

[bluestratos]

I use the premium grade which is usally 91 around here. What I wonder is how much regular fuel is still in the hose after the last person filled up? 1 quart? More?

[Rid'nrandy]

91 Octane normally. When out West we use lower when at mountain elevations.

[Raptor]

For the Spyder, running ethanol fuel in it will not do any harm. The harm with ethanol is with the older bikes that used rubber seals. Ethanol will harden the rubber and eventually leak. Newer engines like the Spyder use neoprene gaskets that are not affected by the alcohol in the ethanol. Any newer 4 stroke engine runs fine on it. 2 stroke engines are another thing. Ethanol runs hotter and it will kill a small engine.

I Know the seals and gaskets are probably OK. What worries me is the higher heat produced, pre-ignition, gummed up fuel systems, higher Nitrogen levels that will be produced, thus greater smog levels, the water accumulation that ethanol puts in the fuel system, and the highly corrosive nature of the stuff. It's garbage, and if they force us to try and use more than a 10 per cent blend, which is bad enough, things will get significantly worse.

So I stick with Chevron Premium and I treat with Star Tron and have had good results. I'm not saying this is what everyone should do, this is just what I do and I am having good luck with it.