Very disapointed with BRP and their product!

[Debedwards93]

Well, how is it running?

Sorry I haven't been back on. Been busy with school work.
The bike is running hotter than it originally did. I never had a heat problem. Also I was sitting at a stop light and the bike completely cut off. It also never did that before. I am trying to be optomistic. I will make a decision on whether I am keeping this after putting at least 1000 miles to break in the rebuilt engine.

Also I have not heard from the BRP rep since this bike has been returned to me.

[Jeriatric]

Don't have a '13 but have read many reports of them cutting off. The good news is. It should stop doing it once you have a few hundred miles on it. At least that is what has been reported here. All the best to you, and am glad to hear you're keeping an open mind.

[SpyderFun]

Rebuilt vs Restored

Not sure as far as bikes go but a "rebuilt" engine in aviation does NOT have to meet original OEM specs whereas a "restored" engines does.


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[NancysToy]

Rebuilt vs Restored

Not sure as far as bikes go but a "rebuilt" engine in aviation does NOT have to meet original OEM specs whereas a "restored" engines does.


-Mike
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In automotive circles "restored" means something else, altogether, applying to antique vehicles. Automobiles and motorcyle engines are generally refered to as "rebuilt" or "remanufactured". Although BRP calls this a "rebuilt", their description above indicates to me that it would more correctly be called "remanufactured"...or even "blueprinted". In general engines that are "rebuilt" or "remanufactured" by the OEM manufacturer rather than a rebuild shop or a dealer, have closer scrutiny and better, cleaner assembly than engines off the production line. They are very carefull about tolerances and assembly techniques in the rebuild shop...and they are not trying to beat flat rate.

Another question comes to mind here, and if Steve from BRP could answer, it might ease some minds (or worry folks more). What does BRP consider to be a "short block"? In automotive circles it is a bare engine without the cylinder heads, whereas a "long block" is a bare engine with heads...and ofteny the water pump. BRP could look at it differently, considering a short block to be an engine without certain external parts, but having the heads installed. In that way the oiled parts would all be fresh, with no chance of contamination or damage, unless the external oiling system was not thoroughly cleaned (or replaced).

[Bob Denman]

We all could just be dancing around this game of semantics...
Does anybody actually know what is considered to be a "short block" by BRP?

[cuznjohn]

a short block is like a light year, a light year has 20 % less calories than a regular year

[Bob Denman]

Good explanation!

[SpyderFun]

Not sure about "Short Block" but I can explain "Short Bus"!


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[Paws]

"a short block is like a light year, a light year has 20 % less calories than a regular year "

Are comments like these necessary??/

If it were my bike and I was trying to correct warranty issues, I would be disappointed in the
juvenile sarcasm posted here.

These aren't inexpensive pieces of equipment.

I sincerely hope Deb gets a satisfactory resolution.

For those who continue with the acerbic remarks, please try to be more understanding, or just DON'T comment

Remember,what goes around, comes around!!! JMHO

[Bob Denman]

Grab onto yourself...
John was trying to keep the mood light; a trait that evidently escapes some folks in here...
If he hadn't done it; I probably would have!

[NancysToy]

"a short block is like a light year, a light year has 20 % less calories than a regular year "

Are comments like these necessary??/

If it were my bike and I was trying to correct warranty issues, I would be disappointed in the
juvenile sarcasm posted here.

These aren't inexpensive pieces of equipment.

I sincerely hope Deb gets a satisfactory resolution.

For those who continue with the acerbic remarks, please try to be more understanding, or just DON'T comment

Remember,what goes around, comes around!!! JMHO

Speaking of ascerbic remarks.....

[Bob Denman]

Only 3 posts; I'm willing to give 'em a pass...

[cuznjohn]

"a short block is like a light year, a light year has 20 % less calories than a regular year "

Are comments like these necessary??/

If it were my bike and I was trying to correct warranty issues, I would be disappointed in the
juvenile sarcasm posted here.

These aren't inexpensive pieces of equipment.

I sincerely hope Deb gets a satisfactory resolution.

For those who continue with the acerbic remarks, please try to be more understanding, or just DON'T comment

Remember,what goes around, comes around!!! JMHO

just my two cents

as a rule most engines that blow are replaced with a re manufactured one, even in cars. but i do feel you should call brp and ask for a new and not rebuilt. if you feel the top end might be contaminated with fragments tell them that also, and make sure you ask what kind of warranty you get with the new rebuilt motor. it will most likely be 1 year but get them to give you everything in writing.

don't get me wrong

i would be the biggest pest they had about getting a new motor but as long as i get full coverage on a re conditioned one there is nothing you can really do
i am dealing with heat issues and i feel for the person with engine problems, but we are at their mercy. so i was making a joke with my light year comment. i really need to read my book again. HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE. and the way i have been attacked on here i should call my shrink, but he shot himself right after my last visit. I WONDER WHY ???

[DrewNJ]

This is what BRP gets for trying to go above and beyond....

What they should have done is tore the motor down, replaced only the failed parts and slapped it all back together. That type of repair would have gotten FAR LESS attention from the peanut gallery.

Isn't it time to move on?...

[Bob Denman]

Throw a chain across this one, and let's find something else to bicker about.

[ARtraveler]

Throw a chain across this one, and let's find something else to bicker about.

It's getting a little old.

[Debedwards93]

It's getting a little old.

Glad you are all having fun at my expense. I am sorry I bothered to get some advise and help here.
To all that did thank you.
I an still not happy with this rebuilt at this time. It is still cutting off. Did it again today at a stop light with alit of traffic. Didn't make this product look too good.
I hope none of you have to go through any of this. Maybe the smart asses.
Still trying to be optomistic...now I am even getting worse gas mileage too.
Not sure if it has anything to do with the new engine
But I really don't want to start anything else on this thread so wish you all the best and hope you don't have this problem.

[Magdave]

Glad you are all having fun at my expense. I am sorry I bothered to get some advise and help here.
To all that did thank you.
I an still not happy with this rebuilt at this time. It is still cutting off. Did it again today at a stop light with alit of traffic. Didn't make this product look too good.
I hope none of you have to go through any of this. Maybe the smart asses.
Still trying to be optomistic...now I am even getting worse gas mileage too.
Not sure if it has anything to do with the new engine
But I really don't want to start anything else on this thread so wish you all the best and hope you don't have this problem.

It takes while for the ECM to set the proper gas tables. A lot of us had stalling issues in the first 1000 miles. Unless you are getting a warning light keep riding it should stop after a while. It is somewhat normal with a new engine. Whether or not you believe you have a "new engine" even if it has been rebuilt. It takes some time to break in.

[NancysToy]

Glad you are all having fun at my expense. I am sorry I bothered to get some advise and help here.
To all that did thank you.
I an still not happy with this rebuilt at this time. It is still cutting off. Did it again today at a stop light with alit of traffic. Didn't make this product look too good.
I hope none of you have to go through any of this. Maybe the smart asses.
Still trying to be optomistic...now I am even getting worse gas mileage too.
Not sure if it has anything to do with the new engine
But I really don't want to start anything else on this thread so wish you all the best and hope you don't have this problem.

The stalling seems to be a mark of these 2013 engines and the fuel management system. It would be worrisome to me, too, but it does seem to disappear as your miles accumulate. That would indicate that it may have something to do with being a tight engine, which should encourage you that the engine is every bit as good as a brand new one. Still, I would be on the dealer (and BRP) real hard to get it running right. Whether or not "they all do it", stalling is unacceptable and can pose a serious safety hazard under some conditions. Maybe if more people report the problem to the NHTSA some pressure can be brought to bear. Nobody needs to be rear-ended because their vehicle stalled needlessly.

The drop in gas mileage is also often an indicator of a tight, new engine. The mileage usually increases after a few thousand miles. On the other hand, it could very likely be related to the stalling problem. If the dealer did not install new spark plug wires, that is the first place I would look. The OEM wires are crap, and they usually die about the first time they are removed. Ignition problems from bad plug wires can cause both stalling and a drop in fuel mileage. Time to lean on your dealer again. These sound like they are more problems with the work thatn the quality of the remanufactured engine. JMHO

[myronmathis]

My engine blew back in May, I have an RS-S 2011. They diagnosed it and determined that a timing chain had broken and literally destroyed the inside of the engine. They replaced it with a new one from the manufacture, I made sure by taking it to my mechanic that does not work for the dealer, he assured me that it is a new engine. I think that it's ridiculous that BRP would not replace your engine with a new one, with all of the money they make selling these spyders you would think that they would want to maintain some type of good reputation with the owners of the vehicles.

[SpyderAnn01]

The stalling seems to be a mark of these 2013 engines and the fuel management system.

Scotty, she has a 2012 not a 2013.

[cuznjohn]

i have never had my bike stall but i do have very bad gas millage

[jcthorne]

My engine blew back in May, I have an RS-S 2011. They diagnosed it and determined that a timing chain had broken and literally destroyed the inside of the engine. They replaced it with a new one from the manufacture, I made sure by taking it to my mechanic that does not work for the dealer, he assured me that it is a new engine. I think that it's ridiculous that BRP would not replace your engine with a new one, with all of the money they make selling these spyders you would think that they would want to maintain some type of good reputation with the owners of the vehicles.

With all due respect to your mechanic, unless he removed the engine and tore it down, there is no way he could tell new from factory rebuilt. Even if he did tear it down, would be doubtful. You got a factory BRP engine alright but likely not 'new' just new to you.

[Bob Denman]

When these engines are fresh; they seem to want to stall at some of the least opportune times for a coupl eof hundred miles... Once they get their throats cleared;
Deb,
The humor wasn't at your expense; it was just trying to keep folks calm...
As I said earlier; if John hadn't done it, I probably would have... no insult was ever intended!

[Farmbanker]

Your timing chain broke too? I wonder how often that happens. That is what happened to my 2012 RTS.

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