I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[Magdave]

I have really seen enough 2013 owner bashing forum posts and telling people to ignore us. Obviously the 10,11,12, owners are the ones who are starting these threads. Have your bikes had melt downs that lead to them catching on fire? I have posted all the flaws BRP made in the 2013 and will do it one more time. Bad shocks, bad ball joints, moving components that obviously caused them to possibly burn up. Outlaw has proven the factory alignment to be flawed. Do I really need to go on. I am sick of people who do not own the 2013 telling us we are whiners. Yes the DPS was a big issue on earlier bikes but that was pretty much it. Yes they blow heat out the black hole just as all RTs have done but there is something more going on. BRP took a new frame and put an old engine in it that was never designed for it and then dumped the poor design on the dealer with an $6-8k discount ruining any chance we had at upgrading. I cannot take a $8-10k Loss in 3 months due to BRP's poor effort. Unless you own one you know nothing about what we are dealing with. I would really appreciate owners of previous model year just stop it. You are clueless about the the issues we have. If you want to know go trade yours in and helps us out. You can get $6-8k off what I paid and help us out. No takers? I cannot get any tech questions answered by calling BRP and that is just plain stupid the answer they give is "see the dealer" and we know there are maybe 4 or 5 in the whole country that even have a clue

I can see solutions to a lot of the problems but BRP will not pay for them or even call me as I have requested via PM to Steve. I worked for GM for 25 yrs and have never seen such a screwed up (even GM ) customer support system and lack of dealership oversight. So until BRP comes up with the correct solutions I think the non 2013 owners need to slack off and quit telling people to ignore the obvious problems we 2013 owners are going through. Maybe they will get fixed but if we shut up and say nothing they never will. There are solutions but who should pay for them the guy that just laid down $25 k or the builder of a defective product. I think the answer is obvious. The 2013 is BRP's Toyota run away car problem and I could care less if it takes them until June to trot out the 2014 they need to REALLY fix the 2013 first. That is just my humble opinion and yes I enjoy riding it but am paranoid about it thanks to the engineers poor performance in fixing the problems with tin foil insulation that is NOT the fix and we all know it. If BRP is trying to go bankrupt the 2013 is a good start.

Let the bashing begin I can give you a list of who will start that too if you like...and almost none are 2013 owners.

[scott16119]

Does someone need a hug?

[hotglue]

Does someone need a hug?

He needs a bike that runs..... comprende, Mag Dave has been proactive in trying to get his bike running right.... the problem is some of the 13's have issues that only brp can fix.. if they don't fix it, some of us have VERY expensive trot line weights sitting in out garages on 3 wheels

[Jeriatric]

You and others like you paid the price of admission and have every right to share your experiece.

[finless]

You and others like you paid the price of admission and have every right to share your experiece.

+1000!

Bob

[hotglue]

You and others like you paid the price of admission and have every right to share your experiece.

Well.... I have stayed off the board for a couple weeks, because I didn't have anything nice to say about FB's spyder...and I know how some of you like to hear NOTHING but 'good' about the spyders..... well... that is over. I'm PISSED. We did pay the price of admission.... and paid for up front seating.... but we will not see the show.... we are stuck behind a pole and can not see the stage.... and those that got good seating say we are at fault because we are not enjoying the program....some times it's best to just walk out of the show.... but at this point, if I have to push and upset some of the sensitive folks to get to see the show... well.. girth up.... BRP will need to make this right, Or you kind folks will NEVER hear the end of it. Flame suit on... take your best shot... but if ya shoot... be prepared for incoming.

[spyderbirds]

Well.... I have stayed off the board for a couple weeks, because I didn't have anything nice to say about FB's spyder... well... that is over. I'm PISSED. We did pay the price of admission.... and paid for up front seating.... but we will not see the show.... we are stuck behind a pole and can not see the stage.... and those that got good seating say we are at fault because we are not enjoying the program....some times it's best to just walk out of the show.... but at this point, if I have to push and upset some of the sensitive folks to get to see the show... well.. girth up.... BRP will need to make this right, Or you kind folks will NEVER hear the end of it. Flame suit on... take your best shot... but if ya shoot... be prepared for incoming.

HG, You and FB need to speak your piece and loudly as do the other owners with these unsolved issues.

If someone doesn't want to hear or read about it they don't have to click the post. Simple as that.

CB

[3 Wheel Addict]

Well... I was going to send a PM to Lamont and request that my user name be removed and I was going on my way... until I read this thread! It appears that I have "backup" to support my gripes and concerns.

[hotglue]

Well... I was going to send a PM to Lamont and request that my user name be removed and I was going on my way... until I read this thread! It appears that I have "backup" to support my gripes and concerns.

We have felt the same....

[Peoriafirefighter]

[QUOTE=hotglue;714839]Well.... I have stayed off the board for a couple weeks, because I didn't have anything nice to say about FB's spyder...and I know how some of you like to hear NOTHING but 'good' about the spyders..... well... that is over. I'm PISSED. We did pay the price of admission.... and paid for up front seating.... but we will not see the show.... we are stuck behind a pole and can not see the stage.... and those that got good seating say we are at fault because we are not enjoying the program....some times it's best to just walk out of the show.... but at this point, if I have to push and upset some of the sensitive folks to get to see the show... well.. girth up.... BRP will need to make this right, Or you kind folks will NEVER hear the end of it. Flame suit on... take your best shot... but if ya shoot... be prepared for incoming.

Sure feel you an Flamingo Lady's pain. You are spot on with your answer. I'll keep both our Spyders for short distance riding but for the kind of touring that you and Flamibgo Lady do, I will be riding my Goldwing Trike. I want a bike I have confidence in and not worry about being stuck in Albuquerque again or anywhere else. I sure hope you get the response from BRP that you and the others deserve.

[mindman]

You and others like you paid the price of admission and have every right to share your experiece.

100%

If available where you live, Lemon Laws should be invoked for sure!
If not....keep the pressure on!
It would be very interesting to know just how many sales BRP has lost as a result of people reading this website. Since it is one of the largest - if not THE largest Spyder oriented website, my guess is that they've lost a LOT of potential buyers.

[Jeriatric]

100%

If available where you live, Lemon Laws should be invoked for sure!
If not....keep the pressure on!
It would be very interesting to know just how many sales BRP has lost as a result of people reading this website. Since it is one of the largest - if not THE largest Spyder oriented website, my guess is that they've lost a LOT of potential buyers.

Lets hope that's not the case. Would much prefer a potential buyer would become better informed and use the knowledge gained here to make an informed decision. jm2c

[Bob Denman]

We're most likely not best-served, by creating an adversarial relationship at this time...

[SpyderAnn01]

Does someone need a hug?

I think you are being rude.

[OldCowboy]

You know, Dave, your hatred of your Spyder and BRP is consuming your life. It's eating you up. We all get that you have had problems with your Spyder and are upset. I really believe you would be much better off without it, even if you had to take a loss. I cannot imagine how you can enjoy ryding something you are paranoid about.

That being said, you DO NOT speak for all 2013 owners. Many (most?) of us have had good experiences with our Spyders and most of us have found reputable dealers to help us out with any issues. My 2013 RT-S did not have bad shocks; did not have bad ball joints; the alignment was dead on when Lamonster checked it; my gas has never boiled; my gas cap has never been too hot to touch; nothing has melted under the tupperware.

You talk about Spyder fires like they were an every day occurrence. They are not. I know of only two 2013s that have caught fire. Vehicles that use flammable liquids as fuel occasionally burn up. We had a post just last week about a fellow whose Honda or Harley trike caught fire while it was idling in the driveway.

Your comparisons between BRP and GM are unfair. BRP is a small company still undergoing growing pains. It has been a manufacturer of motorcycles for less than ten years. It's dealer network is small with many dealers struggling to deal with the technical challenges of the Spyder. GM is the largest vehicle manufacturing company in the world, with over 100 years to develop and refine its products, its dealer network, and its customer support.

[SpyderAnn01]

You know, Dave, your hatred of your Spyder and BRP is consuming your life. It's eating you up. We all get that you have had problems with your Spyder and are upset. I really believe you would be much better off without it, even if you had to take a loss. I cannot imagine how you can enjoy ryding something you are paranoid about.

That being said, you DO NOT speak for all 2013 owners. Many (most?) of us have had good experiences with our Spyders and most of us have found reputable dealers to help us out with any issues. My 2013 RT-S did not have bad shocks; did not have bad ball joints; the alignment was dead on when Lamonster checked it; my gas has never boiled; my gas cap has never been too hot to touch; nothing has melted under the tupperware.

You talk about Spyder fires like they were an every day occurrence. They are not. I know of only two 2013s that have caught fire. Vehicles that use flammable liquids as fuel occasionally burn up. We had a post just last week about a fellow whose Honda or Harley trike caught fire while it was idling in the driveway.

Your comparisons between BRP and GM are unfair. BRP is a small company still undergoing growing pains. It has been a manufacturer of motorcycles for less than ten years. It's dealer network is small with many dealers struggling to deal with the technical challenges of the Spyder. GM is the largest vehicle manufacturing company in the world, with over 100 years to develop and refine its products, its dealer network, and its customer support.

There have been 3 fires the first was the demo bike in PA, the second was one week before mine in Canada and then there was mine. You can find this info out by reading the recall data at NHTSA website. While there have been 3 fires there have been many Spyders that had melted parts when they went in for the recall work. So you can count your blessings that you didn't have a problem but don't downplay those of us who have had them.

[flamingobabe]

Mark found my melted parts in June and had the first...that I know of repair to master cylinder, brake cable and canister...or mine would have burned to the ground...just saying....the 2013 is a different animal

[SpyderAnn01]

Mark found my melted parts in June and had the first...that I know of repair to master cylinder, brake cable and canister...or mine would have burned to the ground...just saying....the 2013 is a different animal

And I had the melted parking brake cable at the Owner's Event also in June.

[Bob Denman]

But it sure has generated lots of "frank discussions".
Forums are what they are made, by the folks who are doing the talking...
I've only seen ONE forum that never fell into a two-sided scrap over an issue at one time or another; it was for an ATV brand that I really enjoyed. When folks found a problem; they'd bring it up (LOUDLY; at times ), and the rest of the gang would roll up their shirtsleeves, and get to it.
The apparent complexity of this one, is getting folks even MORE fturstrated. IF we can remember that we're all on the same side; WE can find the answers. It'd be great if BRP decides to come along for the ride; but I'm betting on the collective gray matter that exists right in here...

(While I stand back; out of the way! )

[Lamonster]

I guess it's time for me to jump in here. I too have a 2013 ST that runs hot, not motor hot but components hot. My right foot got so hot I couldn't keep it on the floor boards. Really surprised there has not been more complaints about that on the board. I've had to do a lot of work to mine to get it where I wanted to ride it. I've owned every make, model and year Spyder to date and the 2013 ST is the hottest of them all followed by my 2008. I really do feel bad for the folks that are having heat issues, I know if I couldn't work on my own bike I would be one of those people.

I will say that BRP does care and just because a fix has not happened soon enough for most of you that are having issues they are working on it. They are just as unhappy as you all, more so I would think seeing this has to have hurt the bottomline. At one time all we talked about here was the DPS and then it was the throttle bodies and now it's the heat. The DPS and the throttle body were real problems but are a thing of the past now. I'm sure we loss owners and members over those issues and we will most likely see some leave the product and the board over the heat issues. I hate that too but it is what it is and all I can do is to try and put it into perspective and hope for a good outcome. I'm confident there will be a resolve to these issues.

[Magdave]

Well Dave, my friend, you have a real talent for authoring divisive threads,

Just looking for answers Roger where there are none to be had. Really though I am trying to get less division and people need to quit defending the 2013 or complaining about people who post bad things about it.It may seem counterintuitive but some people are getting it. I offended one guy in this thread who is gonna put me on ignore. How by telling the truth and insulting his 2013? I am beginning to feel like Jack Nicholson. Geeze we certainly can't hurt the resale value BRP already did that for us. I just wanna take 1 cross country trip and feel like it will be fun and reliable. I do not have that feeling now and am not sure I will ever unless BRP comes up with hardware solutions not tinfoil. I will not go quietly into that goodnight.....By the way thanks for the Code that is some good work

[gottago]

I have a 2013 RTS and have had very few issues (guess I'm the lucky one). Only issues I've had are
1. rear tire burned out at 8700 miles( no big deal) Have already talked with dealer and tech ( doughnuts help with the service dept)I do have a Kuhmo waiting for me when Spring comes by, that'll be first trip. 2. heat fix had no real heat problems before fix. 3. bad Purge valve- replaced all is good now. 4. Had a little challenge with bike doing the snake dance going at hwy speed 70+. That was straightened out with a BaJa Ron sway bar. These are the only things I've had(so far). The one thing I did do that I'll bet 80% of the people buying don't do is, I had salesman contact BRP and had a Build sheet sent to dealer before I picked up bike. Salesman was told if bike was started on a Monday or on a Friday I wont be buying it, and I have to see the build sheet. It was started on a Tuesday May21 and finished on a Thursday May 23rd, Now, Some may call BS on the build sheet thing but I feel it works I don't think it matters what you buy ie: Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc., what I've noticed is if it's built on a Monday or Friday you'll(maybe) have issues. have had it happen throughout my short 63 yrs. There was a period of time (in my past) that I traded vehicles ever year in March. I only had one bad (Chevy) and sure enough it was started on a Monday. --- Just my two(three) cents worth for what it's worth. I love my bike and am having a ball on in( fair weather only- hehehe). I am so sorry for those of you that are having major issues with their bikes, I hope BRP unplugs their heads from their B***s. good luck to all.

[jerpinoy]

This forum help me understand the other things that I don't know. This is the place my frustation is vented. Humors and Jokes help me get through the day.

SORRY if you have enough of these, but the intention is to lighten up and share the good stuff we have in common.

This forum is like a food buffet to me. I eat only that I like and ignore the rest.

[Rockwall]

Owners of 2013's have major problems and that is horrible. Would it be a good idea to create a new heading on Spyderlovers for 2013 issues? This would better organize issues for those that need help and us "lucky" 2012 and earlier people.

Just thinking...

[poordom]

Good evening All,

Well after being off the forum for a little while, I just couldn't stay away any longer.

I have read most of the recent complaints, and I fully sympathize with all that have had and that are still having problems with your Spyders, non standing of the year they were constructed.

I figured I would stay away since some people took offence to my constaint complaining about BRP, but then I figured that I had as much right being here than the others.

We, that have problems are happy and envious of the folks that enjoy and have no problems or complaints with your Spyders, you in turn should understand how frustrated and anoyed at the lack of response or positive feedback BRP is provides us.

Its a bloody joke, again I will sound like a **** disturber, honestly at this point I don't give a damn, if you are not with us and support our complaints then you are against us, and hopefully all the guys that are buying 2014 models have no problems with your machines, otherwise your complaints may also fall on deaf ears.

Now to all of you that are having any type of problems as minor or major they may be, we should stick together and prepare to comfront BRP with our issues.

My recommendation is that we prepare a list of names with addresses, and problems and look at the possibility of a CLASS ACTION. that is all BRP needs with a new 2014 in production.

For some reason the last time I started rocking the boat and got everyone anoyed at me, we had some action from Steve at BRP, this time lets regroup and go way up the latter, in my book it is obvious by now, that these people assume we are all yahoos with no gults to persue these issues any further.

Maybe by regrouping in this fashion, the 2014 line will either be produced with a much higher quality control or the line will fail under presure of the existing unsatisfied customers.

I think it is time to S**t or get off the pot, they are ignoring us, so lets make sure we do something to catch their attention, maybe start writting articles to your local new paper or favorite motorcycle magazine explaing in detail the problems that a great number of us are having, or catch tsome TV anchor people, or even look at boycotting or even better showing up at event prepared by BRP passing out list of problems like Spyders catching fire, etc.

We got to do what we got to do.

Who ever wants in, please send me your suggestions and comments, via private e-mail maybe we can get thing done.

Its time to go ahead with real action.

Enough of the BS and lack of action.

Dom