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FRONT TIRE WEAR
HELLO y'all....
TIRE WEAR on the front tires... how many people are having an issue with UNEVEN TIRE WEAR up front? also, where are they wearing out fastest: inside or outside edges...?
i'm thinking BRP should be looking into this if it's a systemic problem with a majority of SPYD3R's...
if you reply, state the model & year which you ride; GS/RS, ST or RT... that way we can see if the problem is with only one model or year, or with all models and years...
thx for your consideration and help...
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Originally Posted by SPYD3R
HELLO y'all....
TIRE WEAR on the front tires... how many people are having an issue with UNEVEN TIRE WEAR up front? also, where are they wearing out fastest: inside or outside edges...?
i'm thinking BRP should be looking into this if it's a systemic problem with a majority of SPYD3R's...
if you reply, state the model & year which you ride; GS/RS, ST or RT... that way we can see if the problem is with only one model or year, or with all models and years...
thx for your consideration and help...
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Hi , i had the same problem on my rs and rt
the solution is you have to find a good tech to
the alignment on you're Spyder. The one I found
he do the alignment on all wheel rear one first
and front one and they check front bushing.
my front tire have 30,000 km
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Originally Posted by va2djd
Hi , i had the same problem on my rs and rt
the solution is you have to find a good tech to
the alignment on you're Spyder. The one I found
he do the alignment on all wheel rear one first
and front one and they check front bushing.
my front tire have 30,000 km
merci, mon ami...
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It is stated in the Owner's Manual that it is normal to see uneven wear on tires depending on how it is driven and the road conditions.
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To many variables..!!
But we have a 2012 RS with BajaRon sway bar and stock shock with 8,500 miles and no significant wear. It is all even across. We ryde Southern California back roads, mountain roads lot of twisties and some freeways...hope this helps...!!
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If you remember my post in early December on my 2012 RT/LTD, I had a serious issue of toe in tire wear on both tires at 5,700 miles.
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Originally Posted by SpyderAnn01
It is stated in the Owner's Manual that it is normal to see uneven wear on tires depending on how it is driven and the road conditions.
Now that doesn't sound right????
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My right side tire has inside wear. How do I go about adjusting the toe-in?
Just sayin'............
Three in the garage, and I think I can fit at least one more in.....and then we will have to build another garage.
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Mike
I was lucky my 2011 RS-S alignment was right on and my tires wear even. I set my tire pressure using a laser thermometer to check the tire contact to the road. Also keep the front end greased. That's IMHO.
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My 09 GS was wearing on the Front tires inside by 7,000 Miles so I rotated and got about 16,000 before replacing- The New tires with the Elka shocks added are wearing Very well at 26,000 miles so I,m Happy!!!
The 2012 RT tires are Very even in wear at 6,000 Miles so I think it was made on a Good Day!!!
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Mileage at 17,800 and mine looks looks good. ( 2010 RT). No alignment problems.
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While it is possible to get uneven tire wear if you ride the curves hard enough for enough miles, it is no more 'Normal' to have uneven tire wear on your Spyder than it would be on your car. If you are not constantly flogging your Spyder up and down a very twisted road, and you have uneven tire wear, then you have a front end alignment issue and the wear is not normal.
Wear on the inside of the tire comes from too much toe-out. Wear on the outside of the tire comes from too much toe-in. You can't Micky Mouse the adjustment and have any hope of getting it right. It has to be done following a very specific and meticulous process of measurement and adjustment.
The problem can also be created by worn or broken suspension parts which affect alignment.
If your Spyder is right, your front tires will wear evenly, regardless of what the manual says.
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2011 RT AC. At about 6000 miles had wear on right inside of tire. Was told to rotate them. I did and now have about 14000 and I need new tires. I think I'm going with car tires.
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Originally Posted by lyonsden
2011 RT AC. At about 6000 miles had wear on right inside of tire. Was told to rotate them. I did and now have about 14000 and I need new tires. I think I'm going with car tires.
Rotation does not fix alignment. You simply move the poor tire wear to a different tire. Going to car tires won't fix the problem either. The only fix is getting the front end correctly aligned. A good idea before putting new tires on.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
Rotation does not fix alignment. You simply move the poor tire wear to a different tire. Going to car tires won't fix the problem either. The only fix is getting the front end correctly aligned. A good idea before putting new tires on.
Dealer said it was normal. Do I scream until they align it? I'm always afraid it could be made worse and I won't know until it wears out my tires. If I can put on car tires and get 20,000 miles I'd be happy. I really don't know what to do with it. I've gotten to the point where I really just don't want to fight with the dealer. If he says it doesn't need alignment and I say it does, would you want to have to pay him to do something that he says it doesn't need?
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Originally Posted by lyonsden
Dealer said it was normal. Do I scream until they align it? I'm always afraid it could be made worse and I won't know until it wears out my tires. If I can put on car tires and get 20,000 miles I'd be happy. I really don't know what to do with it. I've gotten to the point where I really just don't want to fight with the dealer. If he says it doesn't need alignment and I say it does, would you want to have to pay him to do something that he says it doesn't need?
I would find another dealer, but then I am an hour ride from 6 different dealerships and a great mechanic.
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My 09 GS wore the inner half of both front tires. Worse on the right one that the left. One dealer said the alignment was in spec and gave me the aggressive riding story. Well, I had done a fair amount of mountain twisties so I didn't argue. At about 9500 miles I put new car tires on and had a different dealer check the alignment. He said it was significantly 'out'. So far the new tires look like new but I'm only at 12K miles. Unless you ride really hard I'd say it is an alignment issue. On a 2 wheeler you'd be scraping the pegs and watching those chicken scratches on the side of your tires. I do miss that at times but, hey, I'm still riding.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
While it is possible to get uneven tire wear if you ride the curves hard enough for enough miles, it is no more 'Normal' to have uneven tire wear on your Spyder than it would be on your car. If you are not constantly flogging your Spyder up and down a very twisted road, and you have uneven tire wear, then you have a front end alignment issue and the wear is not normal.
Wear on the inside of the tire comes from too much toe-out. Wear on the outside of the tire comes from too much toe-in. You can't Micky Mouse the adjustment and have any hope of getting it right. It has to be done following a very specific and meticulous process of measurement and adjustment.
The problem can also be created by worn or broken suspension parts which affect alignment.
If your Spyder is right, your front tires will wear evenly, regardless of what the manual says.
Owners should also understand that the alignment changes with loading and with spring preload settings...especially on the 2010-2012 RT. Heavy riders or those who have not increased their preload (or switched to aftermarket shocks) will be more likely to see toe-out. There is a lot of variation in the factory alignments, too...and the early (2008-2010) toe-in spec was not enough and was increased in 2011.
-Scotty
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Originally Posted by lyonsden
Dealer said it was normal. Do I scream until they align it? I'm always afraid it could be made worse and I won't know until it wears out my tires. If I can put on car tires and get 20,000 miles I'd be happy. I really don't know what to do with it. I've gotten to the point where I really just don't want to fight with the dealer. If he says it doesn't need alignment and I say it does, would you want to have to pay him to do something that he says it doesn't need?
I definitely feel your pain. I don't have a solution for a dealer that won't, or can't fix the problem.
It's more than just bad tire wear. If the alignment isn't right your steering and straight ahead stability is going to suffer as well as gas mileage.
Many dealers don't know how, or do not have the equipment to properly align the Spyder. So no, I would not pressure that dealership to do an alignment because you will probably be disappointed. But it is a shame that the 'Fix' offered is to continue to buy more tires.
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My GS is loaded with aftermarket bags and top box and windshield... I've added '11 RT front shocks and an RT rear shock that is one inch longer than the original... I also have the early sway bar installed... I run 20 psi in the front tires and at 16+K miles, they still look new... SPYD3R just shakes his head and walks away...lol
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Do I even DARE mention Camber? I know that there are a couple of tinkerers in here who have played with it...
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CAMBER ? ?! ?
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Do I even DARE mention Camber? I know that there are a couple of tinkerers in here who have played with it...
Bob, I have and honestly it made only a very slight difference......As I stated above in this thread....Even the OEM Kenda tires ( which IMHO are not the best choice ) are capable of 25,000 + miles ...ON THE FRONT.....Car tires maybe 50,000 miles ...BUT the alignment has to be PERFECT or darn close to it......For some reason the geometry of the front suspension is not effected by CAMBER CHANGE which I consider strange......I wonder how much that LAZER alignment set-up is ? ? ? ?.....LaMont ? ? ?
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09 GS Florida 23k + miles replaced
left front twice
right front once
Rear once
both front wore out on the inside tread.
i bought the spyder in 2011 with 1300 miles on it.
my dealer says they can fix it and that's a toe issue but there is a 450 labor fee attached to it.
I'm considering getting an ST so I'll just wait...
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