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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakotaskat View Post
    This is a great thread. I have been given conflicting information from local mechanics and other riders. Does anyone have a link or site where BRP, Rotax, or CanAm provides this suggested shift point information for the 998cc SE5? My 2013 RT Limited SE5 manual says NOTHING.
    If you have a RTS SE5 with a 998 engine, put it into Trailer Mode to see what RPM's you can shift out of 1st gear. You'll find you cannot shift to 2nd gear till it hits higher RPM's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illinois Boy View Post
    If you have a RTS SE5 with a 998 engine, put it into Trailer Mode to see what RPM's you can shift out of 1st gear. You'll find you cannot shift to 2nd gear till it hits higher RPM's.
    The consensus appears to be: the 998 engine likes high revs. Keeping the engine at revs above 5000 all the time is best. At 5500 it seems to come alive. Once you find your exact "sweet spot" in the 5000's you will be happy.

    We still drive our 2011 in that range all the time. At 65 mph 5500 will be what you end up with anyway. Others have cautioned about revs under 3000 on the 998. It lugs and will tend to burn out the clutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARtraveler View Post
    Others have cautioned about revs under 3000 on the 998. It lugs and will tend to burn out the clutch.
    The ECM keeps a record of time vs rpm and shows it as a histogram in BUDs. If you have too much time below 4000 rpm your service tech may chastise you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illinois Boy View Post
    If you have a RTS SE5 with a 998 engine, put it into Trailer Mode to see what RPM's you can shift out of 1st gear. You'll find you cannot shift to 2nd gear till it hits higher RPM's.
    In trailer mode my 2010 998 RT keeps me from shifting before 3500 rpm, sometimes this is frustrating , but also thankful BRP was thinking ahead

    For any other shifting without trailer mode: This is a high rerving engine, so 3500-4500 is the norm, however out of trailer mode if you shift too soon you wil feel the engine lag. Oh and yes if you are on the freeway, shifting from 4th to 5th at 69-71 mph the RPM’s should be between 5200-5500 . This is optimal for engine life and smooth sailing

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    I just want everyone to know and understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    The ECM keeps a record of time vs rpm and shows it as a histogram in BUDs. If you have too much time below 4000 rpm your service tech may chastise you.
    Right on the money. When Ann and Joe did my wheel alignment, the histogram showed we passed.

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    Awesome article, Thanks

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    Very glad I read this before I pick mine up at dealer.
    Informative and helpful for a first time Spyder Owner
    Thanks to whoever helped and typed it all out
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    New rider that was out for my first longish ride today. I could just feel like I didn't have the shifting down. This clears it up so much for me. I was feeling like it was riding better in high rpms but I didn't think it was good for the engine. Also I was going into 5th to much I gather Can't wait for my next ridee to get my shifting down from this post read. Thanks

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    Thanks for the great post. I learned a good bit reading it. I bought my 2015 F3-SM6 just over a week ago. So far I've only put 200 miles on it. Had read several other posts and the manual thoroughly. I changed the oil and filter today. Next week I will flush the clutch fluid and the brake fluid. I don't think it's ever been done going by the color of the fluids. Just downloaded a service manual. I intend to do most service myself. I was riding old gold wings for 20 years and did all my own maintenance with them. Need to sell off my gold wing parts. I could probably build a couple. I'll be posting often for awhile. Lots of questions. As I live on a gravel road(.4 miles to pavement), I'll be looking for advice on belt guards.
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    Default who knows how many countless Headaches this saved me...

    wow. Read all the hints.. tips.. instructions/do’s/dont’s/never’s/sometimes and ‘1day when your older’s
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    On behalf of all the members of the forum, thank you very much for the kind words!

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    There are some pretty fart smellers here, aren't there? (Sorry. I meant "smart fellers".)

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    From newbie cbchief, well read advice, thanks, can’t wait for mine to be delivered.
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    Enjoyed the in depth explanation on items of operation.
    I have just joined the community as a new Can-am owner but lifetime 2-wheel rider.
    I purchased a brand new 2019 Spyder RT Limited in August this year. Have put 820 miles on it and 750 miles on my Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Limited Classic, which I am selling or have listed it anyway for sale.
    My wife is now going to ride with me (again) since I have a 3-wheeler!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by badkins View Post
    Enjoyed the in depth explanation on items of operation.
    I have just joined the community as a new Can-am owner but lifetime 2-wheel rider.
    I purchased a brand new 2019 Spyder RT Limited in August this year. Have put 820 miles on it and 750 miles on my Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Limited Classic, which I am selling or have listed it anyway for sale.
    My wife is now going to ride with me (again) since I have a 3-wheeler!!
    Looking forward to 2021, we are both retired and hope to ride a bunch.
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    Great advise....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    The ECM keeps a record of time vs rpm and shows it as a histogram in BUDs. If you have too much time below 4000 rpm your service tech may chastise you.
    I'm now wondering how much I am going to get my hands slapped for over revving my 1330 when I take mine in for it's first service. Just in the process of learning and a few "fast takeoffs" I missed a few shifts and brought the revs up.

    And after getting comfortable with riding on the highway I went to see my son down in Richmond on 95 there may have been a few times I went up to 90 mph just to pull out and get away from large groups of cars around me.

    Will I end up in the BRP tech jail for some overrevving and excessive speed? I didn't realize that the nanny was also a tattletale!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CloverHillCrawler View Post
    I'm now wondering how much I am going to get my hands slapped for over revving my 1330 when I take mine in for it's first service. Just in the process of learning and a few "fast takeoffs" I missed a few shifts and brought the revs up.

    And after getting comfortable with riding on the highway I went to see my son down in Richmond on 95 there may have been a few times I went up to 90 mph just to pull out and get away from large groups of cars around me.

    Will I end up in the BRP tech jail for some overrevving and excessive speed? I didn't realize that the nanny was also a tattletale!
    Don't worry about it. Running the engine under 4000 rpm much of the time is a problem for the 998 V-twin only. That's mostly because of the clutch design. As far as revving either engine the only issue would be running it above redline for extended periods. Your occasional times of high rev will hardly register in the histogram. Since I have BUDS I decided to get a picture of the RPM histogram for my 2014 RTS. As you can see it shows 0% above 6000 rpm although the maximum reading is 6040. A big share of my highway riding is at 65+ with some spurts above 80 so you'd have to really kick it in the butt for quite awhile to register time above 6000 rpm. Redline is 7500 rpm.

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    Thanks for the info, I think I'm good there. I'll wait and see if I get a lashing when the tech finishes up on it.

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    Mister you have answered so many of my ?? I rode my 2011 RT for 700 miles wrong... Just not the riding the brake thing I know better It only had 4000 on it when i got it. So after 45 years on two wheels I have had a adjustment period hoping I did not ruin anything but MAN !!! what a difference now that I read your advice everything makes better sense I knew something was off in the performance just did not know what to do .So thanks a million

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    On behalf of all newbies, thanks for this thread.
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    Thank you for this thread
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    Spyders have what's called a constant mesh transmission. When the rider shifts from Neutral to Reverse or 1st the transmission goes CLUNK! DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT; IT DOESN'T HURT THE ENGINE OR TRANSMISSION.
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