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05-03-2012, 01:00 PM
#126
Originally Posted by Firefly
I've still yet to hear anyone give a good reason why 'texting' checkpoints would be any different than 'DUI' checkpoints......
So using the 'keep people safe' logic..... 'texting' checkpoints should be done also. Hand your phone over and let the cops see if you've been texting while driving. Anyone really think this would be okay to let the cops read your texts at a checkpoint?
The cop would never be able to prove in the court of law that you were actually texting while driving unless he caught you red handed. A sobriety check is pretty cut and dry. You are drunk behind the wheel or your not.
I understand your point, but it would never work.
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05-03-2012, 01:26 PM
#127
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Originally Posted by Trooper
The cop would never be able to prove in the court of law that you were actually texting while driving unless he caught you red handed. A sobriety check is pretty cut and dry. You are drunk behind the wheel or your not.
I understand your point, but it would never work.
Probably wouldn't work... but if they had say had 'Point A' where you just drive by and a cop records your time... and then a 'Point B' where another one stops you and checks your phone.... if you're alone in the car and texted between the points.... busted.
Just an example of course.
I did hear that some of the state cops were actually pretty nice to 'out of towners' ......
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05-03-2012, 02:31 PM
#128
Originally Posted by Firefly
Probably wouldn't work... but if they had say had 'Point A' where you just drive by and a cop records your time... and then a 'Point B' where another one stops you and checks your phone.... if you're alone in the car and texted between the points.... busted.
Just an example of course.
I did hear that some of the state cops were actually pretty nice to 'out of towners' ......
It could be possible, but with a good lawyer you can probably get off even with that. Around my neck of the woods, hands free devices are still legal, and it would be up to the cop to prove to the judge without the shadow of a doubt that you were on the phone at the time illegally.
...And yes, the cops in Cuba were nice with me on more than one occasion, so I really cant complain.
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05-03-2012, 03:05 PM
#129
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Originally Posted by Trooper
The cop would never be able to prove in the court of law that you were actually texting while driving unless he caught you red handed. A sobriety check is pretty cut and dry. You are drunk behind the wheel or your not.
I understand your point, but it would never work.
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05-03-2012, 07:18 PM
#130
Originally Posted by Trooper
It could be possible, but with a good lawyer you can probably get off even with that. Around my neck of the woods, hands free devices are still legal, and it would be up to the cop to prove to the judge without the shadow of a doubt that you were on the phone at the time illegally.
...And yes, the cops in Cuba were nice with me on more than one occasion, so I really cant complain.
it would not be hard to prove at all your dates and post time are all on texts so a quick download of your phone and your busted if you are driving
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05-03-2012, 08:18 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by r1100rider
it would not be hard to prove at all your dates and post time are all on texts so a quick download of your phone and your busted if you are driving
And what if you are pulled off the road or someone else is using your phone. Not so easy is it.
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05-03-2012, 09:10 PM
#132
The truth be told, Even if you can beat the ticket in court the time and cost will be nothing compared to the aggravation you'll go though fighting it, That's why most people just pony up and pay, And the courts know that,.
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05-03-2012, 10:22 PM
#133
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Originally Posted by boborgera
The truth be told, Even if you can beat the ticket in court the time and cost will be nothing compared to the aggravation you'll go though fighting it, That's why most people just pony up and pay, And the courts know that,.
Actually it's easy to fight them. Most will offer a plea/deferral by phone or mail.......you rarely have to go to court.
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05-03-2012, 10:59 PM
#134
Originally Posted by rnet
And what if you are pulled off the road or someone else is using your phone. Not so easy is it.
What if your the only one in the the car and the text shows it was just in the last few minutes and your on a freeway with no reststops easy bust and the burden of proof is always on you innocent until proven guilty is yesterday just try to beat a ticket nowadays
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05-04-2012, 12:17 AM
#135
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Originally Posted by r1100rider
What if your the only one in the the car and the text shows it was just in the last few minutes and your on a freeway with no reststops easy bust and the burden of proof is always on you innocent until proven guilty is yesterday just try to beat a ticket nowadays
Could have texted from the shoulder of the freeway or before you got on the freeway at the last on ramp
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05-04-2012, 12:40 AM
#136
Originally Posted by Arr MiHardies
Could have texted from the shoulder of the freeway or before you got on the freeway at the last on ramp
Lot of things. could have been but when you are in court the cops are the good old boys and whatever they say is the gods honest truth and your just some scumbag who lied to try to get out of a ticket and what if the last on ramp was 10 miles ago ,was it an emergency or were you were a hazard which is another ticket
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05-04-2012, 07:28 AM
#137
Originally Posted by Firefly
Actually it's easy to fight them. Most will offer a plea/deferral by phone or mail.......you rarely have to go to court.
Fly, I'm curious about something...
If you're driving where the posted speed limit is 55 and you're doing 70 and know it... If you get written up; would you fight it or admit the truth, own your mistake and pay the fine?
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05-04-2012, 07:47 AM
#138
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Fly, I'm curious about something...
If you're driving where the posted speed limit is 55 and you're doing 70 and know it... If you get written up; would you fight it or admit the truth, own your mistake and pay the fine?
Always fight it. Those greedy insurance people will raise your rates with tickets !!!!
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05-04-2012, 07:55 AM
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05-04-2012, 08:03 AM
#140
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Sooo... you're telling me that you would rather take the chicken way out and lie????
Call me an old-fashioned pain in the , but a person who'd lie would also steal...
You will never have to lie Bob, thats what my lawyer is for.
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05-04-2012, 08:28 AM
#141
Originally Posted by r1100rider
it would not be hard to prove at all your dates and post time are all on texts so a quick download of your phone and your busted if you are driving
It still would not prove that I was in a moving vehicle. The officer would have to physically catch you in the act to be able to prove anything to a judge in a court of law. The judge would probably throw the cop out of the courtroom if all he showed up with was a cell phone text record.
I am not sure about the U.S., but thats the way it works up here in my neck of the continent.
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05-04-2012, 08:36 AM
#142
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05-04-2012, 09:27 AM
#143
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05-04-2012, 09:49 AM
#144
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I was driving from Seattle back home to Vegas after heading up there for a funeral with my wife a few years back. We were on a long, straight, empty stretch of desert highway in northern Nevada. I had the pedal to the metal (it's a very long drive. About 16 hours as I recall). My intuition was telling me there was a cop nearby. So every time I saw any car on the horizon, I would slow down till it passed. After about three times of this, my wife said "just go". So I did. Very next car on the horizon was a highway patrol going the other way. Saw the lights turn on in my rear view mirror, and I pulled myself over before he even finished his u turn. There was no one else around he could have possibly been going after.
I rolled down my window, provided my license and registration. He said "I clocked you doing 93 in a 75 zone. Did you know you were going that fast sir?" "Honestly, yeah." "where you coming from?" "Seattle" "where you going?" "Vegas" "what were you doing up in Seattle" "attending my wife's aunt's funeral". "alright, give me a minute sir."
A few minutes later he came back. He said "I appreciate the honesty, so I only wrote you up for 5 miles over. Sign here please". We could have fought the ticket, and won as he filled out the registration section of the form incorrectly. The car I was driving was registered to my wife, not to me. Had he run that registration in the computer with her name, he would have seen she works for the Vegas MPD and we probably would have gotten out of the ticket completely anyways. But I did the crime so I paid the fine. Don't break the law if you aren't willing to deal with the consequences. Fighting tickets costs the state rightly deserved funds to improve our usually crappy roads. Not to mention the money it costs the court.
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05-04-2012, 10:08 AM
#145
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05-04-2012, 10:13 AM
#146
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05-04-2012, 10:18 AM
#147
Bob,
Last time I got a ticket, you can call and go to online school instead of appearing in court. I was speeding I admitted it, I was guilty and they didnt care because the School + Deferment fee is > ticket fee. It is also less time in the court.
So lets just take a minute and be honest, its about money.
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05-04-2012, 10:26 AM
#148
Originally Posted by zrc
Bob,
Last time I got a ticket, you can call and go to online school instead of appearing in court. I was speeding I admitted it, I was guilty and they didnt care because the School + Deferment fee is > ticket fee. It is also less time in the court.
So lets just take a minute and be honest, its about money.
Don't say "it's about money" !!!!!!! You must say........ RIGHTLY DESERVED FUNDS.
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05-04-2012, 10:57 AM
#149
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05-04-2012, 11:02 AM
#150
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