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What exactly is this "NASCAR" of which you speak?? 
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Bob, I hate to admit it but I'm beginning to like the kid. There is no denying that he can drive. I'm also excited for my first Nascar season in Pacific time. It will be nice to watch a race in the morning.
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The kid is a driving fool, that's for sure. To save the car all the times he did, and pass from behind to win with a bent up car, was remarkable. I won't root for him, but I sure respect him. Glad they banned driver-to-driver communications, and killed the two-car hookups. Now if everybody can get used to that and the revised aerodynamics, we can enjoy the racing. If not, I guess we will just have to enjoy the wrecks.
-Scotty
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I watched the Budweiser challenge yesterday. I am not understanding the part where they are now driving bumper to bumper, two cars at a time. The announcer said the rear car was offering a "push". The other thing was all those accidents when the did a mini pit manouever on the left rear side. That move caused all the bad accidents. It now seems very easy to "take someone out" at will.
I am a novice when it comes to these technecalities--but curious anyway.
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 Originally Posted by akspyderman
I watched the Budweiser challenge yesterday. I am not understanding the part where they are now driving bumper to bumper, two cars at a time. The announcer said the rear car was offering a "push". The other thing was all those accidents when the did a mini pit manouever on the left rear side. That move caused all the bad accidents. It now seems very easy to "take someone out" at will.
I am a novice when it comes to these technecalities--but curious anyway.
With last years aero package the drivers discovered that two cars in a tight draft was the fastest way around the track....the rules have changed this year and they are returning to the larger pack stlye. Drivers are still trying to figure out if the 2-car thing will still work and where they should try it....they found out last night that in the corners is not the place to try it.
In order to be competitive a driver has to stay on the very razor edge of traction, so it's always been easy to take someone out, the slightest little touch in the left rear would do it....Earnhart Sr. perfected the move many years ago! 3 
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Last edited by Bob Denman; 02-20-2012 at 12:15 PM.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Good questions! I hope that I can offer a reasonably accurate and understandable answer...
Back in the Good Old Days when it was all settled by horsepower and guts; you shoved your right foot as far forward as you could stand and hung on... But it got to a point on the larger tracks where the speeds were getting pretty dang scary. (over 212mph!) It all came to a head when Bobby Allison got launched up into the catch fences and tore down a whole bunch of it in a very spectacular incident. In order to reduce the speeds, they put "restrictor plates" between the carburetors and the manifolds to cut the horsepower from about 850 down to around 500... Now nobody had the power to get out in front and get away; if you tucked in behind somebody they found that 2 cars were faster than a single one, and a whole pack was faster than just two... For about 25 years they've been trying to come up with the proper balance between horsepower and aerodynamics so that the racing would be more than single-file freight trains...
This year they gave a little more power by enlarging the restrictor plates, and also made the rear spoilers shorter... (They stick up into the air flowing over the body to restrict speed and provide downforce.) Now they run much faster, but with less downforce on them, they can get a bit "unsettled" when things get dicey...
The "Bump drafting" originated when the cars were running nose to tail all of the time. Rules this year affect how long they can stay in that sort of positioning by changes in the cooling sytems and rear bumpers; you'll now overheat if you stay behind somebody too long. A tap on the rear bumper to nudge somebody along has been done ever since two or more cars lined up. This year they have found that it you tap somebody on the left rear going into a turn, it's a recipe for all kinds of mayhem...  due to less stability at speed. You might have noticed the "Shark's fin" that runs down the C-pillar back to the spoiler on the left side... That's an attempt to provide more stability...
Bob
You did a petty good job with your explanation of the evolution of restrictor-plate racing. This year they also took away driver-to-driver communication. Without the ability to see thru the car you are pushing, you need to communicate with them so you don’t push them into other cars. I think the drivers may have learned from the Bud Shootout that they will need to stay off each other in the corners, if not, there may not be enough cars to finish the Daytona 500.
On another NASCAR note I know there is a group of Spyder riders on here that do bike night at the Chatterbox restaurant in Augusta NJ. As you may or may not know, I am a Spyder rider and also run the StockCar Racing Experience at Pocono Raceway. I currently have one of my cars on display at the Chatterbox, if anyone gets by that way stop and see it.
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Thanks for the great explanations to my novice type questions. I'm looking forawrd to watching more of the races--until the weather gets nice enough to go riding on Sundays.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
We plan our weekends rides for Saturdays, and Sunday mornings... unless circumstances offer up an unusual set of options... 
Jesse,
My son and I got to Pocono finally this past August...
Let me know next time you plan on being down this way.
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I had been an avid NASCAR fan for many years. While stationed @ Dover AFB, I worked at the track as a firefighter on race days. My Last race, I had orders, was as a pit fireman. The day I met Dale sr. I became a DIEHARD Earnhardt fan from that very moment. He was a really nice guy, always made time for the fans. Harry Gant and the King, Richard Petty were true Southern Gentleman, as were many other drivers. Sadly, I have lost interest in the sport. It has gotten away from what it was years ago. It's not fan friendly anymore. The cars are the same except for the engines. Too many rule changes between races. And the cost of attending a race is rediculous. And some of the drivers are not as fan friendly anymore. I don't care for switching broadcast channels halfway through the season. I do still watch on occasion, but not like I used to. Then, I don't much watch Indy cars much anymore either. Just my rant.
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Last edited by Tin Can; 02-20-2012 at 08:47 PM.
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'09 SM5, Hindle pipe, K&N, sport rack, backrest, Givi shield EVO swaybar, Symtec grip heaters, Spyderpops belt guard....some other stuff.
Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it,
Be afraid of the one saying 'To Whom it May Concern'!
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Last edited by Bob Denman; 02-21-2012 at 03:04 PM.
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Been a fan of Stock Car Racing since the late Sixties. Use to watch Bobby and Donnie Allison on Friday and Saturday nights at Pensacola and Mobile Short Tracks. Worked on a pit crew in 1970-1971. Was a blast. Met legends like Red Farmer, Buddy Baker, Neil Bonnet. Remember when Davey Allison was just a pain in the a** little kid not big enough to drive a car.
Look forward to the NASCAR season each year. Bud Shoot out was a good race - I just hate to see so many cars torn up. Would much rather see 43 start and 43 finish with lots of good close passing but with drivers keeping their cool.
Bill
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My old man used to say it best...
"Terrible waste of machinery!"
-Scotty
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Dunno why, but I kinda lost interest in NASCAR when they stopped racing "stock cars". I do remember Lee driving the Kiekhafer Mercury 300B, and the only "Compact 500" when Hyperpac Valiants finish in the first 5 positions something like 2 laps ahead of everybody. Oh, yeah, and Fireball Roberts driving with his left arm out the window.
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