LIMP.... CHECK ENGINE

[effgjamis]

for the past two weeks, after the replacement of the new throttle body I still get LIMP and check engine .. However, no error code is displayed.
CPS is aware and a throttle body position sensor is on its way From BRP.

Today:
Not sure.. but again today at a stop light, level ground it went into limp mode and then check engine.
An interesting thing.. Got home, used the kill switch to turn off the motor, and while I was on the phone, it went into Limp mode and Check engine, with me just sitting on the bike.. Yes, the ignition key was still on as I had not turned it off after using the kill switch to shut the motor down...

OH Well time will tell.

[cougar]

Check the fine tuning adjustment on the viagrameter. It is too lean.

[effgjamis]

Check the fine tuning adjustment on the viagrameter. It is too lean.

Needless to say, at my age I have no need for meters to adjust..

[kinggeek]

How many throttle bodies is that for you? 4?

[effgjamis]

How many throttle bodies is that for you? 4?

1. OEM orginial
2. High Adventure, Salt Lake City
3. WcPs, Clearwater
4. CPS, Kissimmee
5. CPS.. TB position sensor pending

All since April 2011

[effgjamis]

Finally, I got to CPS for a Throttle Body Sensor replacement.
They, ( CPS ) posted on the repair order the following codes:
P1120 TPS sensor
P16C7 ECM fault TPS Related
P2620 TPS replaced.

Yesterday, I went into limp mode/check engine 2 separate times
This morning onmy way to CPS appointment to fix the RT, I went into Limp Mode /Check engine 4 times, and the last one I limped at 22 miles per hour for about 1 mile to get to the CPS Store.
From 9 am until 1:15 they supposedly worked on the R and at 1:20 presented me with the RT..

I am not faulting CPS for the following but I am with BRP.

When you are running on an expressway at the speed limit ( 60,70 ) and the RT goes into limp mode the speed drops to 22 30 miles per hour as if you were to put on your brakes pretty hard, and the traffic around you is going the hight posted speed, it scares the s..t right out of you and it is not safe for the RT to drop the speed 40- 50 miles per hour in seconds... That is not safe and someone could get killed by that Limp mode action.
This limp mode has caught me 3 times on the expressway and on one 4 lane road that cars was passsing me, while I was doing 65 in a 65 zone. Think that doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck.. Ouch....

[dave01]

When you are running on an expressway at the speed limit ( 60,70 ) and the RT goes into limp mode the speed drops to 22 30 miles per hour as if you were to put on your brakes pretty hard, and the traffic around you is going the hight posted speed, it scares the s..t right out of you and it is not safe for the RT to drop the speed 40- 50 miles per hour in seconds... That is not safe and someone could get killed by that Limp mode action.
This limp mode has caught me 3 times on the expressway and on one 4 lane road that cars was passsing me, while I was doing 65 in a 65 zone. Think that doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck.. Ouch....

Forrest, I completely agree with you about the Limp mode. It is one of the unsafest things I have ever seen on a vehicle. Gonna catch some heat for this comment but.......... What would the dealers responsibility be if they let someone leave with thier spyder while waiting for parts to be shipped in and the vehicle goes into limp mode and an accident occurs? Negligence on thier part for allowing the vehicle to leave knowing there is an issue and they are waiting for parts to fix it? Let the internet lawyers respond..........

[SteveMac]

When you are running on an expressway at the speed limit ( 60,70 ) and the RT goes into limp mode the speed drops to 22 30 miles per hour as if you were to put on your brakes pretty hard, and the traffic around you is going the hight posted speed, it scares the s..t right out of you and it is not safe for the RT to drop the speed 40- 50 miles per hour in seconds... That is not safe and someone could get killed by that Limp mode action.
This limp mode has caught me 3 times on the expressway and on one 4 lane road that cars was passsing me, while I was doing 65 in a 65 zone. Think that doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck.. Ouch....

Agree 100%.
Limp mode is a HORRIBLE way to handle these things. Very unsafe at hi speed freeway traffic.
I would SO much rather have an idiot light and let me decide where and how quickly I want to get off the road.
It will get someone hurt one day. Glad your safe bro.

[arntufun]

Finally, I got to CPS for a Throttle Body Sensor replacement.
They, ( CPS ) posted on the repair order the following codes:
P1120 TPS sensor
P16C7 ECM fault TPS Related
P2620 TPS replaced.

Yesterday, I went into limp mode/check engine 2 separate times
This morning onmy way to CPS appointment to fix the RT, I went into Limp Mode /Check engine 4 times, and the last one I limped at 22 miles per hour for about 1 mile to get to the CPS Store.
From 9 am until 1:15 they supposedly worked on the R and at 1:20 presented me with the RT..

I am not faulting CPS for the following but I am with BRP.

When you are running on an expressway at the speed limit ( 60,70 ) and the RT goes into limp mode the speed drops to 22 30 miles per hour as if you were to put on your brakes pretty hard, and the traffic around you is going the hight posted speed, it scares the s..t right out of you and it is not safe for the RT to drop the speed 40- 50 miles per hour in seconds... That is not safe and someone could get killed by that Limp mode action.
This limp mode has caught me 3 times on the expressway and on one 4 lane road that cars was passsing me, while I was doing 65 in a 65 zone. Think that doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck.. Ouch....

Similar thing happened to me a few weeks ago. I know excactly what you went through. Scary has hell. http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...t=spyder+crazy

[ARtraveler]

First: I sincerely hope you can get this issue solved on your vehicle. You have been very patient--not a quality that all of us have.

Second: I am also a proponent of an idiot light as opposed to the limp mode. My incident also happened on a 70 mph highway and luckily I was already in the slow lane and there was a wide pull off lane. I got off the road and cars just whizzed by me. There are always chain reaction rear ender incidents when one driver does the unexpected. People drive way to close to the cars ahead.

[spyder3]

What is brp's reasoning for limp mode? It so dangerous.

[boborgera]

If everyone who had a dangerous limp mode incident, Would report it to the NHTSA, I'm sure something would be done to redesigned the system. It doesn't take more than a half dozen or so complaints for the NHTSA to start an investigation.

[boborgera]

[QUOTE=akspyderman;417794].

Second: I am also a proponent of an idiot light as opposed to the limp mode.
[QUOTE]

When a light go's on it gets your attention, And then you can decide where and when it's safe to slow down.
Can't miss seeing a light, Think about it when the low fuel light go's on while your riding it gets your attention quick.

[bluestratos]

Compared to my speed in limp mode (about 11 mph on level ground), 22 mph sounds great. The last time I went into limp mode It took 4 hours to go 10 miles to get home. I had jump off and push the bike, thottle wide open, on the small hills. My last one turned out to be the throttle control but now I have a bad idle but at least it clears up once it is really warm (3 bars) and no limp mode.... yet. I go in Saturday to start the process again. I want to take my spring vacation from NW Washington to Vegas but I am very doubtful I will make it if my past experience is any indication of my future.

BRP has a winner, and they look after you when problems come up.... during warranty...... but, they are not proactive enough. I appears you have to breakdown before they fix problems. Not encouraging for new buyers but who am I anyway, lol.

Regards,

[NancysToy]

Limp mode on the Spyder doesn't limit the speed directly, as it does on some cars, it limits the rpm. How fast you can go depends on what gear you are in. The problem can be compounded by something like a fouled plug or bad spark plug wire, that would further limit the rpm. All-in-all the system is poorly executed and dangerous under highway conditions. There has to be a better way!

[dave01]

Limp mode on the Spyder doesn't limit the speed directly, as it does on some cars, it limits the rpm. How fast you can go depends on what gear you are in. The problem can be compounded by something like a fouled plug or bad spark plug wire, that would further limit the rpm. All-in-all the system is poorly executed and dangerous under highway conditions. There has to be a better way!

I agree Scotty, There has to be a better way. Give me a warning light any day.

[JolyStNick]

My 2012 Limited did the same thing last week end, shut down like the engine put on the brakes, and then I had to limp back home, lucky it was only a short distance.
I called the dealer where I bought it, and while describing the situation I started it back up and all was fine.
I took it in yesterday for the 600 mile service and they checked out the computer and said it didn't throw and codes,
but before it was finished it threw the check engine lite on 4 times before they could get it out of the shop.
It had to be re-programed each time, and finally it stopped throwing the codes. The mechanic said it was the computer trying to do to many operations at once.???????????????? Da?
Well at least it ran fine on the way home. Still not happy with the MPG's!

[lyonsden]

The only time mine ever went into limp mode was 2 blocks from my house on it's maiden voyage home. I had my foot on the brake and hand on the throttle at the same time.

Mine got about 24 MPG at first and slowly improved to about 29 to 30 after about 1500 miles. Then at 4k miles I changed to full synthetic oil and I got 36 to 37.
I find it hard to believe synthetic made that much difference but I hope it last.

My 2012 Limited did the same thing last week end, shut down like the engine put on the brakes, and then I had to limp back home, lucky it was only a short distance.
I called the dealer where I bought it, and while describing the situation I started it back up and all was fine.
I took it in yesterday for the 600 mile service and they checked out the computer and said it didn't throw and codes,
but before it was finished it threw the check engine lite on 4 times before they could get it out of the shop.
It had to be re-programed each time, and finally it stopped throwing the codes. The mechanic said it was the computer trying to do to many operations at once.???????????????? Da?
Well at least it ran fine on the way home. Still not happy with the MPG's!

[bluestratos]

Limp mode on the Spyder doesn't limit the speed directly, as it does on some cars, it limits the rpm. How fast you can go depends on what gear you are in. The problem can be compounded by something like a fouled plug or bad spark plug wire, that would further limit the rpm. All-in-all the system is poorly executed and dangerous under highway conditions. There has to be a better way!

Mine must limit my RPM much lower then, I was lucky to even start moving in first sometimes and if I tried to get it into 2nd it just died. Down hill I got a little more but my top speed was 14.

[NancysToy]

Mine must limit my RPM much lower then, I was lucky to even start moving in first sometimes and if I tried to get it into 2nd it just died. Down hill I got a little more but my top speed was 14.

If it stalled and would not readily reach 3,000 rpm, you had a secondary problem. I would suspect ignition problems if they continued, or it could have been bad gas (which will throw a "check engine" light when it fouls the O2 sensor).

[spyder3]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?

[Lamonster]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?

Here's how it works in cars
http://www.grego.ca/limp.htm

I'm not a fan of shutting down the Spyder like it does at speed. It's a lot like when your carbureted motorcycle would run out of gas but at least you could turn the fuel back on then.

[NancysToy]

Scotty, what is BRP's rational for limp mode instead of a warning light?

Who knows? Limp mode is common on today's vehicles. Too many people fail to respond to warning lights. Vehicles are also more sophisticated, so they need more protection than in years gone by. Almost everyone has ignored the old "Check Engine" warning at some time or another, and manufacturers decided to address that. The problem here is in how the limp mode is implemented. The sudden slowing from high speed is dangerous. My feeling is that a stern warning should come on, like "Pull 0ver NOW!", and then the limp mode would prevent the rpm from going back up after it had dropped below 3K. For some failures, a speed limit or gear selection limit might even be appropriate. On one of my wife's cars, a transmission failure limited it to 15 mph and second gear. That did not kick in until the car was restarted for the first time, however. One thing is for certain, having your brake lights burned out should not suddenly slow you to 3,000 rpm. It shouldn't even trigger limp mode, just a warning. JMHO

[thehawk]

As one who has had my ONLY limp mode kick in while I was passing a truck in the left lane of an interstate, I've already said in another thread how I think it should be implemented. I think the current implementation has tremendous liability for BRP.

thehawk

[effgjamis]

Just a thought in reference idiot light.. If the sofware can put you into limp mode, and wheter or not a code is generatated, the console does flash a orange color. It it can do that then what not disply a message as to what triggered the limp mode and then allow the driver 5-10 minutes to get off the road. Just mabe programers/engineers are not riders just paper pushers. GRRRR to Limp mode shutdown even for the tinest thing like it was said tail light bulb..
Which is more important... the engine/bike or life???