How come I've never heard of a 3rd seat on a Spyder? Has anyone? You could stretch it out, like the Boeing 737s or add a sidecar or ........?
Just wondering. All kinds of things seem to have been done to it, why not add a third person? I know some carry the dog along and I think that's great too. I guess some could take the ex along in the trailer and let her out in the desert someplace. Of course, I'd never do that.
Maybe a Lamonster "quad kit" could be used to carry 3 or more, with the new 1500 cc engine, or larger, that many seem to want. Those huge 4x4 ATVs might be a place to start. Have a Spyder Lovers' "build off", the electricity of these possibilities is in the air already, I can feel it. Never mind, a grandson just left the front door open.
Happy New Year to y'all and especially the inventive minds we have here on S.L. I'd offer a million dollars in prize money, but I might go to jail when the law suits were all settled after the non payment to the winners.
Time to walk the dogs and get back to reality. Just think about ............................!
How come I've never heard of a 3rd seat on a Spyder? Has anyone? You could stretch it out, like the Boeing 737s or add a sidecar or ........?
Just wondering. All kinds of things seem to have been done to it, why not add a third person? I know some carry the dog along and I think that's great too. I guess some could take the ex along in the trailer and let her out in the desert someplace. Of course, I'd never do that.
Maybe a Lamonster "quad kit" could be used to carry 3 or more, with the new 1500 cc engine, or larger, that many seem to want. Those huge 4x4 ATVs might be a place to start. Have a Spyder Lovers' "build off", the electricity of these possibilities is in the air already, I can feel it. Never mind, a grandson just left the front door open.
Happy New Year to y'all and especially the inventive minds we have here on S.L. I'd offer a million dollars in prize money, but I might go to jail when the law suits were all settled after the non payment to the winners.
Time to walk the dogs and get back to reality. Just think about ............................!
Tuck
As long as you don't have more than 3 wheels, any thing is possible. [legally]
Ask Artmu to come up with a prototype and maybe Doc to build a powerplant for it...
The biggest issue that I can come up with is the length of the drive belt...
It would seem that lengthening the swingarm and body supports up top would be easiest... Maybe a conversion to chain drive with some sort of idler mounted mid-way...
Orrrrr... move the swingarm rearward, go to a chain drive back to the new mounting point, and then switch back over to the belt... If the forward belt pulley was mounted at the swingarm pivot point then the belt tension would remain constant!
Ask Artmu to come up with a prototype and maybe Doc to build a powerplant for it...
The biggest issue that I can come up with is the length of the drive belt...
It would seem that lengthening the swingarm and body supports up top would be easiest... Maybe a conversion to chain drive with some sort of idler mounted mid-way...
Orrrrr... move the swingarm rearward, go to a chain drive back to the new mounting point, and then switch back over to the belt... If the forward belt pulley was mounted at the swingarm pivot point then the belt tension would remain constant!
I will have to look in my Rolling Thunder pics from a couple years ago for the two Goldwings that were triked, with a very long rear axel and wide rear trunk. I swear they had sidecars, but I'll have to prove it - don't take that to the designers yet! My short term memory isn't what it use to be and never was too good then.
Just picture the looks the original guy received who suggested a two in front trike to Bombardier and CanAm management. They probably threw things at him or her.
As part of this new concept, I'd like to see the pieces that have to be removed for every little maintenance item, replaced by lightweight panels held on by small magnets embedded in the panels and into the frame or what ever surfaces need to have the other 1/2 of the magnet. Imagine walking up to your 2015 Spyder and with a coded clicker turning off the magnets (or what ever is used to lock the panels) and quickly remove the required pieces. Or, they could be held in place with metal rivets with the insert like the plastic ones have now. The inside piece is automatically removed by a specially coded magnetic rivet remover. This is making my head hurt, so work this out and get back to your favorite CanAm engineer. Be sure to include my name for the prize money.
Tuck
Hi ,I have been reading Spyder lovers for over a year now and this is my first post. I an from Puerto Rico, and yes we ride all year long. I always ride either with my wife or my daughter ,i will love to be the three of us . My idea, will it be possible to convert a pull behind trailer to carry a third person. I've been plannig on getting seat belt , small windshielt extra inner cage , etc. But i am not sure what the LAW will said about this , since is close enough to a side car but still a cargo trailer. Any help will be appreciated.
Four wheel vehicles for road use must meet the automobile emissions and safety standards in the US. Open 4-wheel vehicles with handlebars are considered to be ATVs in many states, and the use of ATVs on the road is prohibited by many states. Sidecars are difficult beasts when attached to a motorcycle. Attached to a 3-wheeler, they would be virtually impossible to control, IMO. I think that all pretty well rules out the sidecar option. Too many obstacles to be practical.
As was said, there are many technical challenges to stretching a Spyder for an additional passenger. The load capacity has to be increased, the power has to be increased, the drivetrain poses all sorts of challenges, and the handling would change...scaring poor Miss Nanny half to death. I see this approach as feasible, but it poses such high costs and engineering challenges as to be impractical...or at least the job for an entire design group for several years...not to mention testing and R&D time to work out the bugs.
I agree that a trailer would likely be considered a cargo trailer in most states. I couldn't speak to the laws in Puerto Rico. In many states a passenger cannot even be carried in the bed of a pickup, and traveling in a trailer...even something like a travel trailer, is prohibited. If you have to carry the family, I would look at a car...a convertible, perhaps...or maybe a dune buggy.
-Scotty 2011 Spyder RTS-SM5 (mine) 2000 BMW R1100RTP, motorized tricycle & 23 vintage bikes 2011 RT-622 trailer, Aspen Sentry popup camper, custom motorcycle trailer to pull behind the Spyder
[QUOTE=NancysToy;403356]Four wheel vehicles for road use must meet the automobile emissions and safety standards in the US. Open 4-wheel vehicles with handlebars are considered to be ATVs in many states, Too many obstacles to be practical.
[QUOTE] GG gave up on their quad version for the U.S. market and came up with the Taurus...
Thanks so much for sharing the great pic. The concept just may be feasable.
You never know where this important research could lead in the quest for the "VolksCycle."
Tuck
Four wheel vehicles for road use must meet the automobile emissions and safety standards in the US. Open 4-wheel vehicles with handlebars are considered to be ATVs in many states, and the use of ATVs on the road is prohibited by many states.
Interesting point, and makes me wonder about the person that changed his rear wheel out for two wheels. Does he get any slack from the law?
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Interesting point, and makes me wonder about the person that changed his rear wheel out for two wheels. Does he get any slack from the law?
The Hannigan 4-wheel conversions (actually two 3-wheel conversions on the same machine) are much the same. Most of these things are snuck in under the radar. The machine is registered conventionally, then modified. In states without vehicle inspections it is much easier to continue to fly under the radar, and avoid scrutiny. For a bike that is mostly a show vehicle, it is even easier...they seldom see the road. It is also much harder for a manufacturer than an individual owner. The manufacturer must meet certain regulations to get the vehicle certified, to allow him to sell it in the first place. Modifying a vehicle and manufacturing a vehicle are far different as far as the regulatory process goes.
-Scotty 2011 Spyder RTS-SM5 (mine) 2000 BMW R1100RTP, motorized tricycle & 23 vintage bikes 2011 RT-622 trailer, Aspen Sentry popup camper, custom motorcycle trailer to pull behind the Spyder
I think that if you fly "under the radar", you have to keep that fact in mind...
I think that Lou has Optimus Prime still registered as a motorcycle...
I will have to look in my Rolling Thunder pics from a couple years ago for the two Goldwings that were triked, with a very long rear axel and wide rear trunk. I swear they had sidecars, but I'll have to prove it - don't take that to the designers yet! My short term memory isn't what it use to be and never was too good then.....
The Hannigan 4-wheel conversions (actually two 3-wheel conversions on the same machine) are much the same. Most of these things are snuck in under the radar. The machine is registered conventionally, then modified. In states without vehicle inspections it is much easier to continue to fly under the radar, and avoid scrutiny. For a bike that is mostly a show vehicle, it is even easier...they seldom see the road. It is also much harder for a manufacturer than an individual owner. The manufacturer must meet certain regulations to get the vehicle certified, to allow him to sell it in the first place. Modifying a vehicle and manufacturing a vehicle are far different as far as the regulatory process goes.
Thanks for the info, and I kinda figured the show vehicle part played into it. I learned something today
Is it Friday yet? ... Oh yeah, I forgot. I'm retired
Past bikes
2010 RS - Sold
2012 RT - Sold
2014 RT - Testing completed
2016 F3-T Audio package - Sold
The Hannigan 4-wheel conversions (actually two 3-wheel conversions on the same machine) are much the same. Most of these things are snuck in under the radar. The machine is registered conventionally, then modified. In states without vehicle inspections it is much easier to continue to fly under the radar, and avoid scrutiny. For a bike that is mostly a show vehicle, it is even easier...they seldom see the road. It is also much harder for a manufacturer than an individual owner. The manufacturer must meet certain regulations to get the vehicle certified, to allow him to sell it in the first place. Modifying a vehicle and manufacturing a vehicle are far different as far as the regulatory process goes.
That must be the idea behind the two super wide Goldwing trikes I saw at Rolling Thunder 3 or 4 years ago. The things were huge. Well, maybe the gent in P.R. will build one - who knows.
I can't find the pics I took of the two referenced above. You happen to have a pic?
Now this is down right scary looking! I can't even imagine trying to ride that thing. Heck would it even fit inside a lane. I remember last year on the way to Maggie I was on some back roads where I just barely fit between the lines. Having owned 2 sidecar rigs I wouldn't go near that thing!
I think if you want to carry more than one people passenger you are going to get a separate rig for those outings in addition to your Spyder. A sidecar and a Spyder just aren't made to go together.
You did notice the side car isn't attached to the Spyder.
Yes, Mr. Orange, I saw two of em at Rolling Thunder. They were humungous. If the 3 wheel is max for road use, don't know how you'd handle something like this on a Spyder. Can't concentrate on this tonight. Sugar Bowl is on and it's 21-17, WV leading Clemson at the start of the second quarter. Mr Orange, thanks for the pics. Guess the next step is for an extended Spyder for a third seat. Way over my head, but I'm sure it's doable by someone on this board.
Tuck
Now the Hannigan 2 place Tri-car setup on a ZX-14 with the Earles fork MIGHT be interesting. A friend of mine had the full EML kit on a KZ1300, and with the right ballast (or passenger), it was FUN.
Side car or third seat??
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Originally Posted by TuckMiddle
[legally]
GG gave up on their quad version for the U.S. market and came up with the Taurus...
Spydcar...
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I can't even imagine trying to ride that thing. Heck would it even fit inside a lane. I remember last year on the way to Maggie I was on some back roads where I just barely fit between the lines. Having owned 2 sidecar rigs I wouldn't go near that thing!
