Can Am Leaning Trike Patent

[draboo]

Just read an article about it in CycleWorld and after Googling,came up with this:

The design also overcomes one issue with leaning trikes: keeping them upright at a stop. Instead of having a manual lock, Bombardier’s system again determines whether the bike should lean over or not, and when stopped or parked, keeps the three-wheeler upright.

Leaning Spyder Patent

I had talked to the fellow who is doing the leaning trike conversions here in WA and he is designing a manual lock for his setup, but CanAm's version will be automatic.

[BikerDoc]

You really have to admire Can Am BRP for creativity and pioneering....

[wukka]

Responding in the most mature and dignified manner that I possibly can...

I WANT IT, AND I WANT IT NOW!

[draboo]

Responding in the most mature and dignified manner that I possibly can...

I WANT IT, AND I WANT IT NOW!

Hey,Stranger! How's tricks down south?

We are heading to Lewiston,ID to visit a H.S. friend I havent seen in 30 years and to test the camper. Probably around the 15th. Then, we are heading back to MI on June 1st.

[wukka]

Hey,Stranger! How's tricks down south?

We are heading to Lewiston,ID to visit a H.S. friend I havent seen in 30 years and to test the camper. Probably around the 15th. Then, we are heading back to MI on June 1st.

Well, still waiting for the weather to change for the better. We had, like, TWO nice days and I went for a ryde both times.

If you guys aren't going until the 15th, you can come on down for the Gerbing's OPEN HOUSE on the 14th, right?

I've been to Lewiston...That will be the trip that you bust your trailer's cherry on? I'm curious how that will turn out for you...

I'm heading to Chelan on the 18th...Are you sure you need to go on Sunday? We could ryde over to Ellensburg together.

Was just thinking what it would take to get me to trade-in the RT, and a leaning trike would do the trick for me.

[Firefly]

Just read an article about it in CycleWorld and after Googling,came up with this:



Leaning Spyder Patent

I had talked to the fellow who is doing the leaning trike conversions here in WA and he is designing a manual lock for his setup, but CanAm's version will be automatic.

Interesting. Rumor has it BRP is going to make a big Spyder-related announcement in Maggie Valley....... hmmmmmmm

[Roger]

Please say it's not so!! Imho we just don't need it!

[Firefly]

Please say it's not so!! Imho we just don't need it!

Nobody will be forcing you to buy it....

[Brunswick]

I just get a Spyder, then you improve the technology to make my new toy obsolete? Arrgghhh!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/63...hrough-history

This could kill the resale market for exisiting Y's. It just doesn't pay to be an early adopter.... Then again, lots of things get patented and that's as far as they get.

[jedd]

Nobody will be forcing you to buy it....

[Firefly]

I just get a Spyder, then you improve the technology to make my new toy obsolete? Arrgghhh!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/63...hrough-history

This could kill the resale market for exisiting Y's. It just doesn't pay to be an early adopter.... Then again, lots of things get patented and that's as far as they get.

Funny cartoon!

The Spyder wasn't built as an investment - it was built to ride. The value of any used toy like this goes down - even HD's don't hold value like they used to. So ride the heck out of your Spyder so that when this new 'leaner' comes out in 5 years you'll be ready.

[Roger]

wasn't even thinking about buying it most people who ride a spyder bought it for stability and its upright position. Tilting the spyder really!! Again jmo i don't think it will do good in sales if it makes it to market. A few companys have also thought of this idea but the first with a patent makes the money.

[SSG Bean]

wasn't even thinking about buying it most people who ride a spyder bought it for stability and its upright position. Tilting the spyder really!! Again jmo i don't think it will do good in sales if it makes it to market. A few companys have also thought of this idea but the first with a patent makes the money.

I think it will do great! You could argue that a tilting spyder would be even more stable, especially when cornering. I doubt they would produce something that flops right over when sitting still. To me it sounds like the best of both motorcycle and spyder attributes. I'm sure it will be very stable, and probably do great in sales. The only reason I dislike the idea of it is because I will want to spend the money for one!

[Brunswick]

Funny cartoon!

The Spyder wasn't built as an investment - it was built to ride. The value of any used toy like this goes down - even HD's don't hold value like they used to. So ride the heck out of your Spyder so that when this new 'leaner' comes out in 5 years you'll be ready.

Granted - no vehicle is ever a 'good investment'. I was just thinking that if I wanted to sell my model to buy the new leaner, there wouldn't be much of a market. If it does take 5 years then no problem - I'll just try to use her all up by then...

However, some other posters have reminded me of what I preach to my students: it's not about whether people prefer X or Y, it's all about what proportion prefer X and what proportion prefer Y. I am at just over 600 miles on my Spyder and took my first real hard aggressive corner this past week. The Spyder stuck to the ground flawlessly but the g-forces threw me 2/3 of the way off the seat. OK - lesson learned - when cornering aggressively, shift weight and lean into the turn before getting there. Not a big deal, but a tilting Y would mititgate the need to shift your weight around.

Here's how I envision the future: RT's will stay stable but the RS will become a tilting sport ride for the more aggressive riders. JMHO...

[Firefly]

Granted - no vehicle is ever a 'good investment'. I was just thinking that if I wanted to sell my model to buy the new leaner, there wouldn't be much of a market. If it does take 5 years then no problem - I'll just try to use her all up by then...

However, some other posters have reminded me of what I preach to my students: it's not about whether people prefer X or Y, it's all about what proportion prefer X and what proportion prefer Y. I am at just over 600 miles on my Spyder and took my first real hard aggressive corner this past week. The Spyder stuck to the ground flawlessly but the g-forces threw me 2/3 of the way off the seat. OK - lesson learned - when cornering aggressively, shift weight and lean into the turn before getting there. Not a big deal, but a tilting Y would mititgate the need to shift your weight around.

Here's how I envision the future: RT's will stay stable but the RS will become a tilting sport ride for the more aggressive riders. JMHO...

You'll get the hang of cornering in no time at all-- practice! I can take any turn at twice the posted speed limit - no problem. Wait till the first time you bring a wheel off the ground -- or have the nanny kick in when you still have both fronts on the ground --- kind of creepy the first time the Spyder does the braking FOR you...

[YPILOT]

I hope it doesn't take 5 years! I'm already loosing seat tyme on it! The market will develop for it just like the GS/RS & RT. It just keeps getting better.

[SpyderGirl]

I'd love to try it!

[ThreeWheels]

I don't know.................

I really love my Spyder.

While I don't want to sound like a Luddite, I'm a little concerned.

It leans at this speed, leans a little more at that speed, doesn't lean at this still another speed.

Sounds complicated. I'm not sure my DPS is working right. I'm not sure the complicated lean system may be a good idea.

But, to each their own.

[bone crusher]

I just get a Spyder, then you improve the technology to make my new toy obsolete? Arrgghhh!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/63...hrough-history

This could kill the resale market for exisiting Y's. It just doesn't pay to be an early adopter.... Then again, lots of things get patented and that's as far as they get.

Did you buy your bike for resale or for enjoyment? I've never bought any vehicle with a concern for resale...

[BajaRon]

Interesting. Rumor has it BRP is going to make a big Spyder-related announcement in Maggie Valley....... hmmmmmmm

I think they are going to announce that Lamontster is the new CEO!

[Fisher858]

Harley has had this reverse trike, independently-sprung front wheels, patent pending since 2005. Check it out below, especially the very intelligent comments from readers...

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/20...t-application/

No sour grapes here. I took possession of a 2011 Can-Am Spyder RT Limited three weeks ago. A great ride, thanks to Spyder tech Dr. Nick, the professor of motor cyclology, who assembled it from the box it came in and set it up perfectly. Traded-in my 2008 RS. I'm a Can-Am fan.

Hey, I'm just sayin. It will be a fight to the finish between Harley and Can-Am for market share among the 3-wheeling crowd of "aging riders and their ladies," the demo both companies are going after. I'm 68, so I can say that.

My guess is Can-Am will win the duel. They have far more corporate resources from parent Bombardier. Harley, sad to say, is just another great American icon about to be put under by US taxes, off-shore outsourcing, and foreign imports.

Ride safe, brothers and sisters.

(We had a tragedy here in San Diego yesterday. A 68-year old 3-wheel rider was rear-ended and killed at a freeway traffic slow-down by a 23-year old going "about 65," according to the CHP. RIP to this good man and
prayers to his family.)

[fastfraser]

Piaggio Mp3 has had a leaning trike / scooter for years ! Manual lock for under 5 kph. Had one that I traded for my Spyder. Had the 500cc. What a blast, would out lean any stock bike. Not so good on the HYW,the transports would blow you all over the place .

[draboo]

Before y'all get too excited..
from CYCLEWORLD,JUNE 2011, pg 18

"There already are other leaning three wheeler designs out there,so its not suprising that Can Am wanted to ensure that, in the event it decides to expand the Spyder lineup with a "leaner', it would not have to license anhybody else's design"-Chaz Rice,Can Am rep, Valcourt

Seems like a case of CYA.

[AMTJIM]

I don't think the speed proportional leaning will be too hard. Aircraft arleady have this, maybe they robbed it from Bombardier aircraft. High speed aircraft with hydraulics have a transition of aileron and rudder ratio. The higher the speed the less throw a rudder is allowed for example. With 3000psi pushing the control surface instead of muscle and cable, it's easy to over control. It may very well borrow it's signal from the steering assist if no new computer is added. A simple image would be to think of 2 drinking cups, one fixed and one mounted to the leaning suspension. A solenoid will power the one attached to the leaning suspension forward and aft. When stopped, the solenoid pushes the cup forward and they stack tight, the bike wil be locked vertical. As you move forward and accelerate, the solenoid retracts the cup and allows lean angle. It may just fully retract by 10mph, I think gyroscopic phenomena is in effect by then, I'm sure hey are playing with it.

[DragonSpyder]

I'm guessing it will lean as you turn the bars and not as the rider leans. This will eliminate the need for any lock.