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Under standard OBD II code, which the Spyder codes seem to follow, even though it is not OBD II compliant, P0707 stands for "Trans Range Sensor Circuit Low Input". I'd say the GPS or the GPS wiring/connectors are at fault. Somehow it is not reading the GPS signal. I suspect BRP just imported some standard code, and missed deleting at least one they didn't use...or used ity in the program but forgot to document it.
-Scotty
2011 Spyder RTS-SM5 (mine)
2000 BMW R1100RTP, motorized tricycle & 23 vintage bikes
2011 RT-622 trailer, Aspen Sentry popup camper, custom motorcycle trailer to pull behind the Spyder
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LittleJohn,
You want the '007' code, not the one you're getting...the 007 will allow you do things never imagined, plus, you instantly get a virtual hot chickie to ride behind you, should you so wish...
It isn't an error code, but is more-so a warning code to others who mess with ya!
Bone Crusher
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The dealer (420km away is the nearest) has supplied me with a new GBPS to replace the one I supplied and fitted last week. It'll be coming with a few other parts for a very long ryde starting next weekend. While I was working today (truck driving) I was thinking of how I could do a temporary fix if I ended up with all the stuff LJ's has displayed and am far from help and with insufficient tools to replace it. I'm thinking - remove the wiring connector from the GBPS (with key out) attach it to the new GPS, turn on ignition and use screwdriver to rotate sensor to show 5th gear on dash, turn off & remove key, place new GBPS in small plastic bag and cable-tie it in place somewhere like reverse cable , start engine and ryde. If this worked, it would only do so on SM5 I suspect.
As LJ reported that his didn't go into limp mode, this procedure would only remove the error display. But it may, however, show another - perhaps. It'd be an interesting experiment which I will try when I return home, unless forced to do so beforehand. Any thoughts?
Hey Scotty, that's in interesting connection you've made with OBDII (pardon the pun). It seems the left hand at BRP doesn't know what the right is doing.
Last edited by Freddy; 05-15-2011 at 02:26 PM.
Reason: Service manual calls it GBPS - so will I from now on.
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Originally Posted by LittleJohn
I know, they still claim that theyve never seen nor heard of this code ....Oh well . Ill make sure I make mention of the duplicate code in the book when its the right time.
Hey LJ, do you have update on this?
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Just dropped the Spyder off at the dealer yesterday.
Heres the laundry list of what they need to work on;
1) 24000 Mile Service
2)New rear tire
3)Mystery code P0707 (They have a GPS for this one, hope it fixes it)
4) code P1697. Ive been getting this more frequently now along with the mystery code.
5) Code P0730. Got this on the way to the dealer yesterday, forgot to look it up last night.
6) Check front pulley for loosenes. Ive been hearing the humming noise at slow speeds, and am paranoid since the belt has been tracking different on the rear pulley.
Ill let ya know when I get it back what came of it.
fingers crossed!!!!
Last edited by LittleJohn; 06-16-2011 at 07:39 AM.
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P0730 is gear position sensor in invalid range or incorrect gear ratio. P1697 is clutch valve circuit shorted to ground or open circuit. P0707 is anybody's guess.
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Originally Posted by Neez
P0730 is gear position sensor in invalid range or incorrect gear ratio. P1697 is clutch valve circuit shorted to ground or open circuit. P0707 is anybody's guess.
See post#28 in this thread.
-Scotty
2011 Spyder RTS-SM5 (mine)
2000 BMW R1100RTP, motorized tricycle & 23 vintage bikes
2011 RT-622 trailer, Aspen Sentry popup camper, custom motorcycle trailer to pull behind the Spyder
Mutant Trikes Forever!
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Originally Posted by NancysToy
See post#28 in this thread.
Thanx, Scotty. I'd call post 28 an educated guess, lol.
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Originally Posted by Neez
Thanx, Scotty. I'd call post 28 an educated guess, lol.
From what I have looked at, most of the Spyder diagnostic codes appear to follow standard OBD practice. It is too bad they don't use a standard OBD-II connector. Anyway, I think they imported the OBD code, and forgot to write a meaning in their tech manual.
-Scotty
2011 Spyder RTS-SM5 (mine)
2000 BMW R1100RTP, motorized tricycle & 23 vintage bikes
2011 RT-622 trailer, Aspen Sentry popup camper, custom motorcycle trailer to pull behind the Spyder
Mutant Trikes Forever!
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Gear Box Position Sensor
Thanks for the update, now for mine.
Just back from a 12,000km/4 week tour with my 2 sons and a new GBPS having been fitted a week before we left (see earlier post). 3 days ago and 2500km from home the gear display started the 5-4-3-4-3-2-1 thing. That wasn't so bad, but when it showed R, the ECU thought my son was doing 120kph in reverse so put it into limp mode. We stopped for 10 min with key removed, started and proceeded to next fuel point just 2 min down the road -all good. After refuelling it was good for about 10 min then started the above again. Having a spare new GBPS, I plugged that into the harness and rotated the sensor until the dash showed 5 and taped it up. All good for just another 10 min when the display started to change just the same as before. Well, how do you like that, I thought while muttering a few quiet words. Nothing to lose by unplugging the GBPS altogether and see what happens - probably limp mode. To our joyous surprise Spyder did not go into limp mode, thereby allowing us to complete 2000km to the dealer but it did tell us to CHECK ENGINE and flash the R N and engine symbol at my son, the rider, for the next 3 days until we got to the dealer this morning whereupon BUDS showed - wait for it - no faults. Further investigation, however, revealed that the reverse light wiring (fitted by BRP/dealers in Australia to comply with local design rules) had been wrongly done. The SE5 wiring and black box and been fitted to my SM5 with is meant to have a simple micro switch mounted on the reverse lever next to the GBPS. This black box (which it shouldn't have had) had been mounted upside down, allowing it to half fill with water. When I told the service manager that this was the very same machine I purchased there 18 months ago in reply to his question, he was a little puzzled - but he wasn't there then. So he requested I leave it with him, 420km from home, until he and BRP fixed it.
So the relevant point here is (I think) if the gear display does all wrong on you, unplugging the wires from the GBPS on the left side (behind and below the pulley) will allow you to continue without limp mode - but only on SM5.
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Well I dropped the bike off for the following;
Code P0707 (change GPS)
Code P1697 (Troubleshoot recurring message)
24K Service (Prepaid Service Contract)
Change Rear tire
Inspect Front pulley due humming noise and belt track change.
The first thing theye were gonna do was the GPS. They pulled the panels and while pulling the front pulley to get at the sensor, found the front pulley damaged and "frozen" to the shaft. Looks like Ill be getting a new shaft and pulley!
Did anyone who had this issue repaired get the new upgraded pulley? or are they just putting back the original parts to have it happen again?
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My wife and I had the pulley replaced about a month ago and dealership said the new pulleys had different part numbers.
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Originally Posted by wildbill6565
My wife and I had the pulley replaced about a month ago and dealership said the new pulleys had different part numbers.
Thanks Bill! Thats what I was hopin to hear!
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Hey LJ, I found that the belt track change was the rear pulley bearing starting to go out - front all tight as a pin. Have aread thru this.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28353
Last edited by Freddy; 06-28-2011 at 07:47 AM.
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Originally Posted by Freddy
Thanks Freddy. Its in for its 24K service, so theyll look at those as part of that check. I replaced them back at 12K with the new part number bearings.
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Originally Posted by LittleJohn
Well I dropped the bike off for the following;
Code P0707 (change GPS)
Code P1697 (Troubleshoot recurring message)
24K Service (Prepaid Service Contract)
Change Rear tire
Inspect Front pulley due humming noise and belt track change.
The first thing theye were gonna do was the GPS. They pulled the panels and while pulling the front pulley to get at the sensor, found the front pulley damaged and "frozen" to the shaft. Looks like Ill be getting a new shaft and pulley!
Did anyone who had this issue repaired get the new upgraded pulley? or are they just putting back the original parts to have it happen again?
Keep in mind that the P0707 code is for your GPS and can throw off mulitple codes for the systems it's assoicated with such as the transmission shifting circuit which uses the GPS feedback. Usually fixing the main issue such as the GPS will make the other codes go away also.
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P0707 code
Originally Posted by LittleJohn
Got this code nultiple times this weekend, along with the "E" in the gear position indicator intermittently, and flashing "R" and "N" pilot lights.
When I got it to the dealer, the service manual didnt have this code listed, and the BUDS download showed it had not stored. I know I wasnt seein things, anyone got a clue what this code is?
Thanks in advance!
My Spyder is doing the same code? How the hell do I go about fixing it?
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Originally Posted by LittleJohn
They are also supposedly starting a campaign to see how the computer generated its own code that they had no idea existed...LOL
Ill let yall know what I find out.
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Originally Posted by platzer09
My Spyder is doing the same code? How the hell do I go about fixing it?
Fitting a new GBPS (gear box position sensor, as the service manual calls it) may do the trick.
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Originally Posted by platzer09
My Spyder is doing the same code? How the hell do I go about fixing it?
Originally Posted by Freddy
Fitting a new GBPS (gear box position sensor, as the service manual calls it) may do the trick.
I agree, the fix for mine seemed to be the gear position sensor. I on the other hand have cut all ties with the dealer I had working on the bike, before I did something stupid Id regret.
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