I might be on engine 3

[SethO]

I just called today to get my oil leak fixed again, (the water pump shaft gasket) and on the way back (it was 49 degrees up here, beautiful day for sure) I noticed some black smoke in the exhaust which sucks cause to was pulling great today.

so I listened to the engine and for the last two miles home it felt light on the throttle, my buddy put it in the trailer and it sounded fine (NOT LIKE LAST TIME) but you could smell oil more than usual.

I am hoping that it just needs a valve and cam adjustment and it was not smoking in the garage, the unknown issue is that I got some "we are almost out of gas" gas in AZ and it was popping when I was low on gas which I was not today.

I have to work till 6am get home hook up the trailer and get up at 11am drive to st cloud,dump the spyder and trailer at my main dealership that does NOT have the best wrench in MN anymore and come back to work tonight.

[WackyDan]

Oy - hope it is nothing too serious Seth.

[docdoru]

Not good...

[groundeffect]

Hi Seth, hope its not a big issue.... finger crossed for you. Finish up the night shift, get some rest for the trailer ride. Let us know how you make out.

[IWN2RYD]

Best of luck to you ... Fingers crossed

[MMcc]

Seth; Since HH in St. Cloud changed hands I have found the service department less than knowledgeable on Good luck, hopefully it is nothing more than a needed adjustment.

[SethO]

Seth; Since HH in St. Cloud changed hands I have found the service department less than knowledgeable on Good luck, hopefully it is nothing more than a needed adjustment.

yes I found out that dave the best spyder wrench in the tri state area left, do you know where he went?

I really hate to bring it there with no so clear cut issue and have it sit.

[SethO]

here is a pic from before the death machine had problems.

[effgjamis]

I got a bag of rubber bands if you need....

Hope all goes well... Have a good one.

[Bob Denman]

Hang in there! Here's to hoping that this one'll be an easy find and fix!

[Raptor]

I am hoping it's not a major deal and that you are back on the road soon, Seth. Good luck with it.

[pitmon]

hope it's nothing major and u are back on the road soon. I heard mine popping the other day... just a little and I think it may be those exhaust gaskets always something lol!

[MMcc]

yes I found out that dave the best spyder wrench in the tri state area left, do you know where he went?

I really hate to bring it there with no so clear cut issue and have it sit.

Seth; Sorry, I also have no idea where he settled in. One person said Tousley's but I cannot confirm that. We are in So. Cal. for the winter sorry unable to provide any help.

[ThreeFeet]

yes I found out that dave the best spyder wrench in the tri state area left, do you know where he went?

I really hate to bring it there with no so clear cut issue and have it sit.

Do you know what Daves last name is? I could look him up for you on the net. Maybe get lucky and find him. In the meantime for the return to ryding the way ya like. Good luck be with you.

[Barbary]

I got a bag of rubber bands if you need....

I can do one better... I have some military 100 mi an hour tape... the man's cure all....

[SethO]

Not blown, just blew smoke every once in a while, the qrench and i went over it and it idles a little funny at times but it is somethin, valve and cam adjustment is being done

[Raptor]

Well, that sounds encouraging. Was wondering about that "almost out of gas" gas as well. I've had run-ins with that stuff in other vehicles in the past. Wishing good things for the death machine bro!

[NancysToy]

Not blown, just blew smoke every once in a while, the qrench and i went over it and it idles a little funny at times but it is somethin, valve and cam adjustment is being done

A little smoke once in a while sounds a lot like water in the gas. Was the smoke white? Even SeaFoam or dry gas may not purge all water from the system. You may have to drain the fuel tank, change the fuel filter, flush the system, and clean the injectors...if that is the case.

[Yazz]

here is a pic from before the death machine had problems.

Seth, hate to change the subject from your smoking pipes, but have you taken up a new hobby?

[Paula(Butch2025)]

Hi Seth, Caswells in Mora has a great mechanic and they are really good to work with. The owner's name is Les, talk to him. Their phone # is 320-679-1383 good luck.

[SethO]

A little smoke once in a while sounds a lot like water in the gas. Was the smoke white? Even SeaFoam or dry gas may not purge all water from the system. You may have to drain the fuel tank, change the fuel filter, flush the system, and clean the injectors...if that is the case.

the smoke is blue, smells of unburned oil, I ran the same gas the whole day and had filled it up the day before.
I had a theory that if my spark plug wire was shorting and it was not firing as clean would this happen? The wrench I talked to was going to tear into it and see what is going on.

Seth, hate to change the subject from your smoking pipes, but have you taken up a new hobby?

no, just borrowed my hero cam to some cops I work with and they had the stuff for the pic, one of the 7 "perfect days"(these are the days that people who make bullsheet excuses about weather, their toenails or hair was not perfect the day they should be riding) to ride on that day.

Hi Seth, Caswells in Mora has a great mechanic and they are really good to work with. The owner's name is Les, talk to him. Their phone # is 320-679-1383 good luck.

I have been burned on downing warranty work at other dealerships, brothers in brainerd are true tools about stuff like this, "you didn't buy it here.... well we can't really do anything for you on that then"

If this place goes bad I will give them a call, thanks butch.

[NancysToy]

the smoke is blue, smells of unburned oil, I ran the same gas the whole day and had filled it up the day before.
I had a theory that if my spark plug wire was shorting and it was not firing as clean would this happen? The wrench I talked to was going to tear into it and see what is going on.

That's too bad. White smoke would indicate water, and black smoke unburned fuel, but blue means oil. The intermittent nature of it is odd. I suppose a misfire could cause such a thing on a well-worn engine, but it is not common. A tight engine would not normally do this. If the problem is rings, head or cylinder damage, or valve guides, it is usually more constant. If it is one of those things, a compression test and maybe a leak-down test may be in order. The only other thing I could think of would be a bad scavenging pump, which allows oil to build up in the crankcase, and be forced past the rings at times. That will usually show up as eventual lubrication problems, as the oil tank runs low. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

[SethO]

That's too bad. White smoke would indicate water, and black smoke unburned fuel, but blue means oil. The intermittent nature of it is odd. I suppose a misfire could cause such a thing on a well-worn engine, but it is not common. A tight engine would not normally do this. If the problem is rings, head or cylinder damage, or valve guides, it is usually more constant. If it is one of those things, a compression test and maybe a leak-down test may be in order. The only other thing I could think of would be a bad scavenging pump, which allows oil to build up in the crankcase, and be forced past the rings at times. That will usually show up as eventual lubrication problems, as the oil tank runs low. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

the wrench was going to to do both of these tests, I will keep ya updated.

[SethO]

If it were scavenging problems (sumping), he'd probably feel a substantial loss of power, as the dry sump case filled itself with oil and the crank and rods had to splash their way through it. Intermittent oil smoke sounds more like valve seals, especially if it's more apparent on decel, when vacuum is high........ BTW, where is crankcase breather set up to vent, and what does it look like? Excessive oil in the case should have the breather well fouled, also...

the power was a little light right at the time i saw the smoke but it sounds perfect when it was running in the dealership. did not seem terrible after the smoke but I did not push it.

the crank case breather is the off race airflow system from evoizone? I did not check that, the oil was on the line after the spyder was warmed so there was not too much oil in it.

We also tried to rev it and then let off to see if a puff of smoke would come out of the exhaust.

[SethO]

got a call from honda house today, they have to call brp on tuesday, there was a oil line o ring that was causing the oil leak but the real news was that the compression in one cylinder was 170 and the other was 60, the guy I talked to did not know which one but my money is on the back one. They did a leak down test too. They said the results did not make sense to them and they had to call brp about them.

When I find out more I will post up, glad they got back too me and especially on a saturday.