Evap Cannister Vent House

[Questions]

Which models are on the upgade list to reroute the vent line? Was doing some work on the Spyder today and noticed the vent line is very short. Just a short loop about 6"

[Texmac1011]

As far as i know, all the 2008 and 2009 models. Don't know about the 2010's.

Your dealer will do it under one of the updates or you can do this:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...ight=cannister

[wyliec]

Which models are on the upgade list to reroute the vent line? Was doing some work on the Spyder today and noticed the vent line is very short. Just a short loop about 6"

I talked to Carlo earlier this week about this. I won't go into everything he said; but you'll find all the information in what he called Quality Bulletin 2009-4. The bulletin was mainly for those spyders that were spitting, sputtering and what have you after the DPS software upgrade last year. However, for whatever reason, the vent hose extension was tacked on to this upgrade. When and if you talk to your dealer, don't call it a service bulletin b/c they may not find it. My dealer found it under Warranty Bulletin 2009-4.

Whatever it's called, I'm scheduled to have it done on 10/19. My vent hose is the same length as yours. If you call it service bulletin 2009-4, that deals with brakes.

[SpyderWolf]

I talked to Carlo earlier this week about this. I won't go into everything he said; but you'll find all the information in what he called Quality Bulletin 2009-4. The bulletin was mainly for those spyders that were spitting, sputtering and what have you after the DPS software upgrade last year. However, for whatever reason, the vent hose extension was tacked on to this upgrade. When and if you talk to your dealer, don't call it a service bulletin b/c they may not find it. My dealer found it under Warranty Bulletin 2009-4.

Whatever it's called, I'm scheduled to have it done on 10/19. My vent hose is the same length as yours. If you call it service bulletin 2009-4, that deals with brakes.

Thanks for posting this, as it is very good information to have. I am also happy to hear your extension is going to be done soon.

[Sny]

Anyone have a copy of that bulletin and the tech instructions that go with it showing how they route the vent hose?

I still smell gas. a LOT of gas when I stop.

[wyliec]

Anyone have a copy of that bulletin and the tech instructions that go with it showing how they route the vent hose?

I still smell gas. a LOT of gas when I stop.

One of the things Carlo mentioned to me, and I'm not saying you did it, is if you overfill the tank and get gas into the evap can, the carbon filter is shot.

[Firefly]

All of them should be extended and routed out the bottom. The new bikes come that way from the factory---

Or better yet ditch the stupid canister altogether!

[Texmac1011]

All of them should be extended and routed out the bottom. The new bikes come that way from the factory---

Or better yet ditch the stupid canister altogether!

I also routed the vent hose from the gas tank toward the rear of the bike.

[bruiser]

Anyone have a copy of that bulletin and the tech instructions that go with it showing how they route the vent hose?

I still smell gas. a LOT of gas when I stop.

My 2010 RT S has the mod with the vent hose out the bottom. I still smell gas. What is considered overfilling the tank??? When I fill mine the nozzle shuts off before the tank is full so I've gone to just inserting the nozzle about 2 inches. When the tank is full the gas level is about 2 inches below the cap rim.

[JJW SpyderRider]

I talked to Carlo earlier this week about this. I won't go into everything he said; but you'll find all the information in what he called Quality Bulletin 2009-4. The bulletin was mainly for those spyders that were spitting, sputtering and what have you after the DPS software upgrade last year. However, for whatever reason, the vent hose extension was tacked on to this upgrade. When and if you talk to your dealer, don't call it a service bulletin b/c they may not find it. My dealer found it under Warranty Bulletin 2009-4.

Whatever it's called, I'm scheduled to have it done on 10/19. My vent hose is the same length as yours. If you call it service bulletin 2009-4, that deals with brakes.

Thanks for the information on the "Warranty Bulletin 2009-4". I asked my dealer about having this done when my DPS is installed and was told my 2009 GS was not included. Armed with this information I will try again to get this done. I don't smell gas but I can hear air purge out from the right side of the engine when the bike backfires out the intake. The hose needs to be rerouted period!

[Some Guy]

Or better yet ditch the stupid canister altogether!

I also routed the vent hose from the gas tank toward the rear of the bike.

Yep, I removed the cannister as well and routed a long vent line to the back of the Spyder...on the left side so it's no where near exhaust heat. Don't forget to plug the purge valve. If you disconnect it completely you'll get a check engine light.

[Firefly]

One thing I find interesting since doing my canisterectomy is that gas WILL drip from the vent hose onto the ground-- at least while parked. Just a few drips after I park it.... even if my tank isn't full---- have even seen a few drips when darn near empty!

What this tells me is that gas IS dripping out and into those canisters--- which we've been told renders them useless anyway.

It might be interesting to put a catch-system on the end sometime and see just how much gas gets out.......

[Raptor]

One thing I find interesting since doing my canisterectomy is that gas WILL drip from the vent hose onto the ground-- at least while parked. Just a few drips after I park it.... even if my tank isn't full---- have even seen a few drips when darn near empty!

What this tells me is that gas IS dripping out and into those canisters--- which we've been told renders them useless anyway.

It might be interesting to put a catch-system on the end sometime and see just how much gas gets out.......

The other thing - And this is probably a dumb point - but it will be interesting now that the temps are starting to drop if these drips and gas smells go away completely. I think they will. It's strange because I have never even had so much as a gas smell, and I have 2 of 'em! ANd we have had some 100 degree days out here. But not as many as many of you have.

But they are both 2010 (well 14 is pretty close to 2010) machines and to date I have not experienced any of these symptoms. Of course now that I have said it...

[Sarge707]

One of the things Carlo mentioned to me, and I'm not saying you did it, is if you overfill the tank and get gas into the evap can, the carbon filter is shot.

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If I knew my cannister was soaked with fuel from Overfilling I would definitely replace it with a new one. You don,t want to smell raw fuel?

[Longlegs]

I have been struggling with poor low speed running issues all summer. It has been popping bad when we try to ride through the parks and around town. Just today I took the line from the purge valve to the canister off. It ran great. I left the panel off while riding and I can actually have it start running like crap as soon as I plug it back in. I can feel the vacuum impulses when I hold my thumb on it. It really only seems to run bad when it sucks from the canister, not when it is just open.

[NancysToy]

I have been struggling with poor low speed running issues all summer. It has been popping bad when we try to ride through the parks and around town. Just today I took the line from the purge valve to the canister off. It ran great. I left the panel off while riding and I can actually have it start running like crap as soon as I plug it back in. I can feel the vacuum impulses when I hold my thumb on it. It really only seems to run bad when it sucks from the canister, not when it is just open.

Bad purge valve or purge valve solenoid. Your dealer can repair this.

[Longlegs]

Last time the dealer had it, they called world headquarters (BRP) and they told them to test it, and it tested ok.

[NancysToy]

Last time the dealer had it, they called world headquarters (BRP) and they told them to test it, and it tested ok.

You should not be able to hear the purge valve leaking by...if the sound is indeed the purge system and not a vaccum leak elsewhere. First, check that all hoses are in place, including both the purge system hoses and vacuum hoses. You can test the purge system yourself by temporarily plugging the purge hose leading to the engine. Your dealer can perform more sophisticated tests of both the purge valve and the solenoid. There are several tests listed in the shop manual for each. Have them read up on it instead of calling BRP. It is their responsibility to resolve this issue!

[Longlegs]

When is the purge valve supposed to be open? Because mine seems to be open all the time. Thanks for the help too...

[Freddy]

I remember seeing a pic posted a monnth or two back of the rerouted evap can drain tube - the one supplied by BRP where it exits below the bike, rear of the radiator. I've searched the forum for 40min and can't locate that post/pic.

Can anyone esle find it for me? Thanks in advance.

[SpyderWolf]

I remember seeing a pic posted a monnth or two back of the rerouted evap can drain tube - the one supplied by BRP where it exits below the bike, rear of the radiator. I've searched the forum for 40min and can't locate that post/pic.

Can anyone esle find it for me? Thanks in advance.

Here is a direct link to the post with the pictures:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...9&postcount=32

[Freddy]

GREATLY appreciated Mr Wolf.

[SpyderWolf]

GREATLY appreciated Mr Wolf.

Glad to help.