who said a turbo spyder could not be done?well look at this.

[SSG Bean]

Might as well sell the Spyder and go and buy a Trirod for that price.

I know there has been speculation, and I'm sure the turbo won't be cheap. However, before we criticize, we should let them set a price. I don't think I'll get the turbo, but I love seeing new things being developed for our toy.

[asmdjackal]

I still haven't gotten a good answer about what they plan to do about the clutch.

Lamonster, I spoke to Barnett Performance and in 30 days they will have a updated clutch and spring kit for the Spyder available. Your clutch worries are about to be gone... Also, this 30 days conveniently coincides with the estimated release of the Aerocharger turbo kit to the public. ETA January of next year.

[Lamonster]

Lamonster, I spoke to Barnett Performance and in 30 days they will have a updated clutch and spring kit for the Spyder available. Your clutch worries are about to be gone... Also, this 30 days conveniently coincides with the estimated release of the Aerocharger turbo kit to the public. ETA January of next year.

That's good to hear you have looked into this, hope it works out. We worked with Barnett on the BonnaValk project.

[asmdjackal]

Like I said in another post, when my motor goes I'll be buying a Busa for around 5K and putting that in the Spyder for my play toy.

I just don't see the 998 turbo holding up very long with that high compression motor and that clutch configuration but I could be wrong.
You still are limited by the traction control unless you plan on getting rid of that like I'll have to do with the Busa.

Even so a stock Busa will put out more HP and I'm pretty sure will hold up longer.

Regarding the compression, the actually CC'd compression of the Spyder motor is around 9:1. Hence the ability to run 87 octane in it. Ken at Evoluzione also offers a new piston to make the compression 11:1 so you can run premium fuel and get the extra horsepower that you are missing.

In the Aerocharger turbo testing the 998 has been VERY strong, very reliable and easily able to handle the 5-6PSI of boost with pump gas and throwing NO ECU ERROR CODES!!!!!!!! The key is in proper fuel management and each Aerocharger turbo kit will feature their AeroCommander piggy back (similar to the 2 brothers juice box) to keep your motor safe and running.

On getting rid of the traction control.. if a guy wanted.. and I am just saying.. you can move your rear wheel sensors to the front wheels... speedo will still work, stability will still work... TCS just wont...

Plus if your putting a better clutch (I responded to your other comment) and a drag radial on your spyder and your turbo (you will want one, its wicked fast!!!!) you should be good to go!

One comment though - on the Aerocharger kit, the clutch and drag radial are NOT required. I am just doing them for a bit of more fun... But the Spyder is completely reliable and driveable with their turbo kit with a stock clutch and rear tire.

[Lamonster]

Regarding the compression, the actually CC'd compression of the Spyder motor is around 9:1. Hence the ability to run 87 octane in it. Ken at Evoluzione also offers a new piston to make the compression 11:1 so you can run premium fuel and get the extra horsepower that you are missing.

BRP claims 10.8 to 1 compression. I find it hard to believe it's that far off. I believe the reason they can run 87 is because they are backing off the timing.

[asmdjackal]

Might as well sell the Spyder and go and buy a Trirod for that price.

Tri-Rods are like 50-60K and last I heard... they are out of business.

[asmdjackal]

I still think it's months away--- but am interested in seeing how it turns out.

Its WEEKS away. Look January of next year for a general release.

[asmdjackal]

If the ''T'' in RT stood for turbo I would have already put my money down. I'm sure BRP has some plans for the RT power plant--probably won't be a turbo though.

Michael

As soon as RT's start becoming available, Aerocharger will be looking at what it takes to make their kit work on it.

[asmdjackal]

I'm trying to figure out where my Spyder is 'lacking'...lemme see...with the hindle, green, and juicebox settings maximized, I'm probably a little over 4 seconds (4.5 seconds stock) 0-60...certainly much fast than out of the box...acceleration on the highway is just fine...I don't feel like this bike needs a tremendous boost...there isn't much on the road that can move faster than the Spyder...oh yeah, a Toyota Prius Then again, some people always want faster and faster (most of us!)...I'm interested in seeing what people think when they get it...however, for $5000+, I'll pass...

Not arguing with you, but if you look at what Spyder performance mods cost...

Mufflers (500-700)
Juicebox (250)
Airbox (250)
O2 eliminator (75)

So your at ~$1300 in performance mods and your getting maybe 10HP? We'll have to wait for official Aerocharger performance/dyno results.. but I wouldnt be surprised if you see a 50% improvement in Spyder performance in a supported package thats completely drivable.

ALL that stuff above is part of kit, in a optimized package. PLUS you get a wide band controller for REAL tuning (those are $250-300 by themselves) boost gauge, etc... The Aerocharger kit will be VERY cost effective given the amount of stuff that people typically put on their Spyders. And you'll blow the uh.. no doors.. uh... you'll blow the 3rd wheel off every other spyder on the road!

[Firefly]

This could prove to be a popular kit for RT owners - but a big concern will be voiding the warranty.

[Lamonster]

Might want to get you one of these too.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5411/

[asmdjackal]

Might want to get you one of these too.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/5411/

LOL

The Aerocharger kit is wrapped and has a heatshield over the housing. It holds in heat and keeps it off you!

One thing that we've noticed - when you actually give the Spyder FUEL and your running 91+ octane, the exhaust is much cooler on a normal Spyder.

The motor also runs alot cooler. People have overheating issues all over, if you fatten it up a bit, put some 91 octane in it... she'll definitely run cooler.

One thing I didnt mention, the Aerocharger muffler sounds GOOD!!!

[Smylinacha]

Tri-Rods are like 50-60K and last I heard... they are out of business.

They might not be forever though - there is always hope!

I don't believe they started out that high. But I always wanted one of those.

I just think dropping in so much money on the Spyder is crazy, specially since I paid around $16K for it.

[asmdjackal]

They might not be forever though - there is always hope!

I don't believe they started out that high. But I always wanted one of those.

I just think dropping in so much money on the Spyder is crazy, specially since I paid around $16K for it.

Total cost of ownership.. 16K plus 5 or 6K for turbo = 21 or 22K...

Still less than half the cost of a slower tri-rod that doesn't exist anymore.

Tri-rods were VERY cool.. if money was no object...

For that, I was looking at a T-Rexx before I found the Spyder... just couldnt bite off the cost with the spyder being a third of the cost of the T-Rexx.

I would still rather have a "2 seater" in a side by side than I would a motorcycle style Spyder. The T-Rexx is like a street legal go-kart, not a 3 wheeled motorcycle. I'd rather have the street legal go-kart!

[asmdjackal]

I'd want to see some dyno run files(with AFR graphs).....How much more torque is it makin at 5-6k rpm?

Dyno and AFR are coming. Regarding torque.. in 3rd gear my Spyder broke loose and the TCS came on at 6000RPM. And this was a 35MPH cruise and then I opened it up. So I'd say the torque is... uh...

I am not saying that you cant wing the Spyder to redline with the turbo, but you don't really have to anymore. The Aerocharger can make boost by revving in neutral due to their variable vane technology. That also means that at low RPM - IE 2000 RPM under load the Spyder makes boost and scoots.

Once we get through the final "production" gear install, dyno, and final tuning, I hope to write a full review of the kit. In fact, I've probably been a bit too close to this (not that I am biased or anything) but might even get a different Spyder owner in the Kansas City area to perform the write up and impression change from bone stock. Actually it would be nice if a person with a stock (or close to stock) Spyder in the KC area could bring it out for a little side by side reality check when it warms up a bit. Volunteers?

[Smylinacha]

Wizardmaster has the TRex and I saw it up close and in person - IT WAS COOL!!!!

Total cost of ownership.. 16K plus 5 or 6K for turbo = 21 or 22K...

Still less than half the cost of a slower tri-rod that doesn't exist anymore.

Tri-rods were VERY cool.. if money was no object...

For that, I was looking at a T-Rexx before I found the Spyder... just couldnt bite off the cost with the spyder being a third of the cost of the T-Rexx.

I would still rather have a "2 seater" in a side by side than I would a motorcycle style Spyder. The T-Rexx is like a street legal go-kart, not a 3 wheeled motorcycle. I'd rather have the street legal go-kart!

[asmdjackal]

Wizardmaster has the TRex and I saw it up close and in person - IT WAS COOL!!!!

Maybe he wants to trade for a Turbo charged Spyder?!??!?!?!

[Firefly]

More pics would be nice. I'm interested to see how it all fits together......

[asmdjackal]

More pics would be nice. I'm interested to see how it all fits together......

There are some pics on the Spydertalk thread, but they are prototype and or mock up pics. Not to say it isn't decent stuff, just saying the final production kits will be alot nicer.

[kromc5]

There are some pics on the Spydertalk thread, but they are prototype and or mock up pics. Not to say it isn't decent stuff, just saying the final production kits will be alot nicer.

I think its a great idea, since I love turbo's. Only concerns is the warranty. What starts breaking or wearing excessively with the increased hp? My personal car made 897 at the rear with 76 / .81 ar garret. I have broken quite a bit on the way to those numbers. Traction I think would be an issue since the spyder has less traction than my Hayabusa that has much more hp and smaller tire. Granted I can pick up the rear of the spyder so it seems the weight is much more forward.

[BLACK WIDOW]

I still think it's months away--- but am interested in seeing how it turns out.

Yes--I will watch this with cautious optimism. Wouldn't be beyond me to try it.

Michael

[bone crusher]

I'm one of the ole old school folk who think that the Spyder with the 'wasted' hindle, juicebox, green filter, etc... mods IS worth the money.

The Spyder is more than fast enough to get me in trouble...I ride with guys who have supersports that go 0-60 in sub 3.0 seconds...my sentiment is 'wow', who cares...if I wanted a superfast bike, I'd most certainly get a sport bike...

The stock Spyder, at 4.5/0-60 is faster than most anything on the road...tweak it a bit and you're just over 4 seconds...good enough.

A turbo kit is a great idea for those who have extra cash and few other hobbies...it will certainly be for the most serious speed driven Spyder owners...

It will still never touch a hyabusa, but I guess that's not the point...speed is speed anyway anyone can get it....hmmmmm...just wondering...I'm not sure the front of the Spyder is made for excessive speed...anyone here think that the front end can come up at a high enough speed? Just a thought...lots of areas for lift under the front dressing...

Anyway, I'm excited to see what the turbo kit does and hope those who get it really love it...I'll enjoy it through others!

[dave01]

I cant wait to get a kit to match my bike. Turbo's are a blast to ride and I just love the sound of the BOV going off. It will fit in nice beside the bike..LOL

[asmdjackal]

I think its a great idea, since I love turbo's. Only concerns is the warranty. What starts breaking or wearing excessively with the increased hp? My personal car made 897 at the rear with 76 / .81 ar garret. I have broken quite a bit on the way to those numbers. Traction I think would be an issue since the spyder has less traction than my Hayabusa that has much more hp and smaller tire. Granted I can pick up the rear of the spyder so it seems the weight is much more forward.

Sweet! My Elky has a 76/.96 ar on it. Just got it running, should make 900-1000HP. But its built to handle it.

On traction for the Spyder, I just bought a MT drag radial for it - going to help solve that issue. I figure a sticky/soft drag radial should last a while compared to a spinning stock spyder tire.

But the turbo isnt just about doing burnouts.. its about that 40MPH cruise where you want to get to 80 real quick with no (or little) tire spin. Plus, my old man has a big Harley Electra glide, my Spyder would BARELY out run that thing... its a shame... Performance should be more in line with a sport bike or at least a V-Rod. I don't confuse "sport bike" with that monster Busa you have - those things are in a class of their own!

[kromc5]

Thx for the response, I do wonder about the warranty issues. Since I bought the 09 I received a 3 year warranty. I would have to believe this would void it entirely. The choice of exhaust would be great as I do not want a loud exhaust on my bike. I put the HMF on mine and had to use the quite core on it to not upset the neighbors. Also on the tuning aspect my manual says 10:8.1 for the spyder. Most of the cars we built were 8:5 to 9:5 depending on the owners ability to afford mixing pump and vp116. As I not familiar with motorcycles but the compression seems to high for boosting. Most cars on 93 octane we could get away with 16psi at 8.5:1. If the customer wanted 9.5:1 we could get by at 16psi with 105 octane. Does the spyder have knock sensor that can be monitored on the dyno? If it is 10:8.1 how much boost are you running? Does not seem like you could run much at all. I have never tuned a turbo this small, but do you have the compressor map? What is the effective range of boost before you getting negative returns from heat? Do you plan on an intercooler setup? What kind of gains do you see per psi IE: 1psi gains 5hp, etc? If you post your dynos can you let us know the temperature in the dyno shop as well?
Thank you


[QUOTE=asmdjackal;165955]Sweet! My Elky has a 76/.96 ar on it. Just got it running, should make 900-1000HP. But its built to handle it.

On traction for the Spyder, I just bought a MT drag radial for it - going to help solve that issue. I figure a sticky/soft drag radial should last a while compared to a spinning stock spyder tire.