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To do….or not to do? Should I replace these BEFORE they fail?
2019 F3L. 14,000 miles
Due to the high failure rates of the Park Brake Motor and the Left-Hand Multi-function switch - TSB’s were published highlighting their failures…. Would I be over-reacting to just replace them before failure? I would install them…. cost is $750 for the parts. My thinking is to avoid the inconvenience of the breakdown, towing, trying to find the part, hotel stay, etc.
It’s like: when do you replace an air filter, or a fuel filter……. when the engine fails to operate? I think they call it Preventive Maintenance.
OR: Do I just Buy and new Sea to Sky?
Last edited by bikerchris1270; 02-28-2024 at 08:41 AM.
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The old adage says "If it ain't broke-don't fix it".
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Originally Posted by wolfeman
Ther old adage says "If it ain't broke-don't fix it".
Originally Posted by Navydad
I wouldn't.
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Interesting justification to get a new Sea to Sky.
I hope it works for you.
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First, you have to ask yourself, 'What is a high rate of failure?' I can't give you a scientific answer. But my guess is it's probably in the 10% range. That means you have a 90% chance of not having a failure. Nor will replacing it give you a 100% chance of never experiencing a failure.
I'd run with what you've got. But that's me. You should do what makes you feel comfortable.
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Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
2019 F3L. 14,000 miles
Due to the high failure rates of the Park Brake Motor and the Left-Hand Multi-function switch - TSB’s were published highlighting their failures…. Would I be over-reacting to just replace them before failure? I would install them…. cost is $750 for the parts. My thinking is to avoid the inconvenience of the breakdown, towing, trying to find the part, hotel stay, etc.
It’s like: when do you replace an air filter, or a fuel filter……. when the engine fails to operate? I think they call it Preventive Maintenance.
OR: Do I just Buy and new Sea to Sky?
I don't recall that the "Park Brake motor" has a high failure rate ..... and the lefthand cluster began having failure issues only in the past couple of years ..... which to me means a replacement may be of the generation of High Fail rate .... The ORIGINAL DESS module (08 to 13) had an extremely Low failure rate .... then in 13 some engineer decided to re-invent it ..... and bang, they started failing ..... IMHO, leave well enough alone! .....Mike
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You could go with the best of both worlds - buy the parts, replace them if they fail. Of course that leaves open the question - should you buy a complete replacement machine so that, no matter what fails, you have the part?
To each their own level of paranoia I guess....
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Originally Posted by Stache
You could go with the best of both worlds - buy the parts, replace them if they fail. Of course that leaves open the question - should you buy a complete replacement machine so that, no matter what fails, you have the part?
To each their own level of paranoia I guess....
Excellent, I’ve been diagnosed as Paranoid…….that’s what my problem is.
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Safety will always dictate having spares on hand. But that also requires knowledge and tools to get the job done right.......
Last edited by WRCLVR; 02-28-2024 at 03:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by WRCLVR
Safety will always dictate having spares on hand. But that also requires knowledge and tools to get the job done right.......
In the scenario I am talking about, even if you are at a dealer's having it diagnosed, and they can't get the part in within 10 months when they go to order it, then you will be wishing you had that one on hand!
And with the history that is recorded of this issue, not only with the part itself but also with the infamous wait times, it doesn't matter if you have the tools or knowledge to do the repair if you just can't get the part to repair it.
Would I carry it with me on the road?... Of course not. Do I want it on my shelf as a standby for a known issue? ... Damn right I do.
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Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
Excellent, I’ve been diagnosed as Paranoid…….that’s what my problem is.
Just kidding but...that is why we are watching you..lol
Last edited by WRCLVR; 02-28-2024 at 03:47 PM.
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I'm not sure exactly what the percentage of spyder failures is but they do not have a stellar reputation. I've taken it all in stride and keep my fingers crossed that I don't have a failure. But if I do I'm prepared to make an adventure out of it and see who I'll meet and where it will take me. Just not to the hospital, I hope.
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Originally Posted by 2dogs
I'm not sure exactly what the percentage of spyder failures is but they do not have a stellar reputation. I've taken it all in stride and keep my fingers crossed that I don't have a failure. But if I do I'm prepared to make an adventure out of it and see who I'll meet and where it will take me. Just not to the hospital, I hope.
It would be good to know the percentage of failure for the Left Hand Combo Switch and Park brake motors so as to warrant a TSB and a new service part number.
Last edited by bikerchris1270; 02-27-2024 at 02:17 PM.
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This is an excellent forum but, very few failures have been reported and considering that percentage wise very few owners are actually on here I would tend to enjoy the ride and repair only when its broken; although that may be inconvenient and more costly.
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Buy the S2S and tow the F3L behind it. That way if one goes out, you just jump on the other one. Might have a negative effect on fuel mileage. But you'd solve the failure issue.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 02-27-2024 at 04:01 PM.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
Buy the S2S and tow the F3L behind it. That way if one goes out, you just jump on the other one. Might have a negative effect on fuel mileage. But you'd solve the failure issue.
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Well .... You know what I did
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Originally Posted by troop
Well .... You know what I did
Yeah, I know... where do you think the idea came from?
Originally Posted by Gwolf
Have you got all the spare parts, belts, hoses, fuel injectors, plug wires and all the other parts for your car just in case something should break?
Think about it...........
A whole lot easier to find parts for a domestic vehicle than a Spyder Dealer.
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Ok, I’ll ride it until the new ride arrives... Thank you all for your input. Have a great day!
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Have you got all the spare parts, belts, hoses, fuel injectors, plug wires and all the other parts for your car just in case something should break?
Think about it................
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Originally Posted by Gwolf
Have you got all the spare parts, belts, hoses, fuel injectors, plug wires and all the other parts for your car just in case something should break? ......
All those parts listed can be and have an inspection maintenance scheduled……… now, if you can come up with a way to diagnose an electrical part with a KNOWN high failure rate, and be able to replace that part before being inconvenienced, I wanna know.
Cash is king…… Next topic, what’s the best color?
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 02-28-2024 at 03:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
2019 F3L. 14,000 miles
Due to the high failure rates of the Park Brake Motor and the Left-Hand Multi-function switch - TSB’s were published highlighting their failures…. Would I be over-reacting to just replace them before failure? I would install them…. cost is $750 for the parts. My thinking is to avoid the inconvenience of the breakdown, towing, trying to find the part, hotel stay, etc.
It’s like: when do you replace an air filter, or a fuel filter……. when the engine fails to operate? I think they call it Preventive Maintenance.
OR: Do I just Buy and new Sea to Sky?
It Happened to me
Speaking as someone that had our '19 RTL switch cluster fail after many intermittent parking brake problems... I might think about replacing it for my own peace of mind.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 02-28-2024 at 08:11 AM.
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