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The Power Question
I really needed to share this with someone, and thought the folks on this site might understand it best...
As one of the RT5 "test pilots," I've gotten a lot of questions about whether or not the RT has adequate horsepower. I have tried to answer those questions as honestly as possible, re: "I believe it has sufficient power, but have to admit I wish it had more, only because it would be even more fun then."
This is my opinion, having ridden my RT 8,000 miles, two-up, pulling a fully-loaded RT622 trailer, across the length of the country, three mountain ranges and the Mojave Desert.
However, a couple of other journalists, who each rode an RT for a day-and-a-half and less than 200 miles, have written in their magazines about the engine being "weak," or feeling "taxed," and quite frankly, not quite up to the task.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just want to point something out:
Just this past year, Harley-Davidson introduced the Tri-Glide, which is a Lehman trike conversion of an Electra Glide. The Tri-Glide weighs 300 pounds MORE than the RT, with an engine that produces 30 horsepower LESS than the RT, and yet the same publications that chastised the Spyder for a lack of power, lauded the Tri-Glide for having "..all the juice anybody would need.."
Add to that a price tag that starts $10,000 higher than the Spyder, considerably less packing space, and fuel mileage that is not one bit better, and you've got to wonder ... could the amount of advertising dollars spent in these magazines possibly be influencing their evaluations? Or perhaps it is just that old "Harley Mystique" that says, "If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand."
They are correct -- I don't understand.
Fred
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You can't ride the Spyder in the same rpm bands as an HD, or Wing, or some other tourers and expect the same performance....
Now all that's needed is for the "experts" to figure that out.
john
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The glass is half full.
Mike Murphy
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For what it's worth I have ridden the RT and just purchased a 2010 HD Tri-Glide.I think the RT feels as responsive as the HD maybe more in some areas.Just needs more throttle.The power issue was the least of my reasons to buy the Harley.I'd say I bought the Harley because the RS wasn't comfy and has issues and the RT was very comfy but may have issues.
ride it,
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I don't know if the testbed RT's were broken in or new out of the box, but I did notice with my RS that it took several thousand miles before the motor really loosened up and the torque could be properly felt. Initially, I felt that I was lugging the motor in fourth at freeway speeds (65) and didn't want to use fifth at all. The powerband was narrow and high in the rev range. Now, I can lug it down to around 2,500 rpm in fifth and still get clean acceleration.
BTW Fred, I enjoy your articles in MCN.
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Hi Fred,
My husband and I had a great time visiting with you at CowTown USA, Cuba, MO!!!
I watch all your video's and read all your blogs on the RT.
They are great
Thanks for sharing!!!
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Originally Posted by Freditor
I really needed to share this with someone, and thought the folks on this site might understand it best...
As one of the RT5 "test pilots," I've gotten a lot of questions about whether or not the RT has adequate horsepower. I have tried to answer those questions as honestly as possible, re: "I believe it has sufficient power, but have to admit I wish it had more, only because it would be even more fun then."
This is my opinion, having ridden my RT 8,000 miles, two-up, pulling a fully-loaded RT622 trailer, across the length of the country, three mountain ranges and the Mojave Desert.
However, a couple of other journalists, who each rode an RT for a day-and-a-half and less than 200 miles, have written in their magazines about the engine being "weak," or feeling "taxed," and quite frankly, not quite up to the task.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just want to point something out:
Just this past year, Harley-Davidson introduced the Tri-Glide, which is a Lehman trike conversion of an Electra Glide. The Tri-Glide weighs 300 pounds MORE than the RT, with an engine that produces 30 horsepower LESS than the RT, and yet the same publications that chastised the Spyder for a lack of power, lauded the Tri-Glide for having "..all the juice anybody would need.."
Add to that a price tag that starts $10,000 higher than the Spyder, considerably less packing space, and fuel mileage that is not one bit better, and you've got to wonder ... could the amount of advertising dollars spent in these magazines possibly be influencing their evaluations? Or perhaps it is just that old "Harley Mystique" that says, "If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand."
They are correct -- I don't understand.
Fred
1 honest post is worth 10 hyped magazine articles. It's a shame that most everyone either has an agenda or an ax to grind.
I too like your posts Fred and wish you'd visit more. Even if you decided to point out an honest flaw, defect or shortcoming that's good with me.
Between your post and HDXBONE'S I'd say that you've got the angles covered.
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Originally Posted by rmcaskey
I've studied his chart and it's perfectly clear to me.
I'm not sure what all the "RPM" stuff is about.
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I remember when I got my first sports car, a 1200CC Fiat Abarth (wish I still had it) The red line was 12000. I had one uncle drive it and said it had no power I kept telling him to rev it up he was driving it like his V8 sedan. My other uncle drove it, he was used to driving a VW Bug. He was blown away by the power. He said it was scary fast and cornered on rails. It is perception. They should have a sport bike rider ride it not someone used to a cruiser or Harley. I own a KIA Amanti all the reviewers pan it and talk about the big grill. Then they gush over the Chrysler 300 and the big beautiful grill. The call the Amanti a copy even though the 300 looks like it stole the styling from a Bentley. Preconceived impressions are hard to shake.
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Originally Posted by DannyS
...I own a KIA Amanti all the reviewers pan it and talk about the big grill. Then they gush over the Chrysler 300 and the big beautiful grill. The call the Amanti a copy even though the 300 looks like it stole the styling from a Bentley. Preconceived impressions are hard to shake.
That is strange. Normally the media bash the american cars and can't heap enough praises on the asian models.
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It's not about power or speed. It's about lack of torque at LOW rpm's, 2/3 thousand rpm's.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
I would say my chart, if I had one, would put most of my time in the 3rd column of 4k~6k. (Maybe a stupid question but where is he getting that chart?)
I am thinking the dealer may be able to pull it for you when they hook up BUDS.
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Not a big Harley fan , but the Tri Glide is laying down 101 ft/lbs of torque versus 80 on the RT. In any given situation the Tri Glide is going to accelerate harder than the RT. Its just newtons math guys. I'm not gonna bore everyone with torque versus HP , but do your homework and ride them both. That Harley Motor is a powerhouse in comparison. The RT is no slouch , but there is a difference.
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Originally Posted by SpyderWolf
I am thinking the dealer may be able to pull it for you when they hook up BUDS.
That is what I was thinking....Has to be the Buds readout.
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Originally Posted by DannyS
I remember when I got my first sports car, a 1200CC Fiat Abarth (wish I still had it) The red line was 12000. I had one uncle drive it and said it had no power I kept telling him to rev it up he was driving it like his V8 sedan. My other uncle drove it, he was used to driving a VW Bug. He was blown away by the power. He said it was scary fast and cornered on rails. It is perception.
I had a 1970 Kawasaki Triple 500cc. I never had any trouble with that bike. Loved the Pearl Cherry color.
But I could not loan that bike out, even to other motorcycle riders. They would call me saying it quit on them. I'd take a new set of surface gap plugs out and it would fire right up.
If you didn't ride that bike HARD it would foul a plug. Once one plug was fouled the other 2 were not going to live long. Once fouled you could never get them to work right again, even if they were brand new.
I'd tell the guy, you have to ride it hard or it will quit on you. They would always tell me they rode it hard but, of course, they didn't ride it hard enough.
That bike had about a 2,000 rpm power band. But you'd better be holding on when it got there because it was going to take off, with or without you.
I wish I still had that bike. It was a piece of junk but it was the most fun piece of junk I ever owned.
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Originally Posted by BajaRon
I wish I still had that bike. It was a piece of junk but it was the most fun piece of junk I ever owned.
I can remember a couple of vehicles I had that I feel the same way about.
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I was Wrong! I'am sorry, and see my error
I just got back from my first ride on my new RT-SE5 Orbital Blue.
About two weeks or so ago, I made a post about the lack of power the RT had. (I was comparing it to my three Goldwings, and my Suzuki 650, all are fast)
I thought the RT was slow and sluggish, I was Wrong. I had a 1999 Honda civic SI, that did not make power until 4000-7800 RPM, you had to drive it like the RT, and rev it, or it would fall on it's face, if you were in the wrong gear (RPM's too low) and tried to make power.
But the RT as everyone has described is different. It takes some getting used to, and practice riding it the way it needs to be ridden.
You cannot ride it like a Goldwing that is for sure. a Goldiwng is pure torque from idle to 5K. Like a V8
No, the RT must be on full boil, and rev'd, or if you are cruising with the rpms down low, you must down shift to find 5K, then pour it on.
This bike demands that you ride it hard, (After the ride today, I thought what a ticket getter the RT is)
It is a rush to ride it that way.
I have two gas stations by me that have NO-Ethanol added, the dealer filled mine bike up with that gas and mentioned to me that, I should go there, you don't get the 10% ethanol, just 100% gas.
Sorry for my inaccurate post.
I am putting on the Radar detector next. Then I'll ride like I stole it. Like Sammy Hagar says, "Rev on the red line".
Westgl
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