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    Default The oil plug- Murphy showed up today.

    I have done many oil changes on my Spyders over the years and never had an issue. Today Murphy stopped by and stripped out the head of the transmission plug. I ordered the upgraded oil plugs from value accessories. I am hoping an easy-out will grip the plug enough to remove it. Those darn BRP engineers should be fired. Even an experienced mechanic can run into this problem.

    Update: easy-out took the plug right out. It was very tight. I must have been extra strong the last time I changed the oil. All fixed forever now!
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    That stinks. I switched to gold plugs from Amazon on the second oil change.

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    I've always been concerned with the torque needed for a liquid seal using metal washers with aluminum and instead use NBR metal bonded sealing washers at the low end of the torque range. Other members also use them.

    Best wishes for plug removal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel The Biker View Post
    I have done many oil changes on my Spyders over the years and never had an issue. Today Murphy stopped by and stripped out the head of the transmission plug.

    Dam....
    What torque setting are you using for that transmission plug?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel The Biker View Post
    I have done many oil changes on my Spyders over the years and never had an issue. Today Murphy stopped by and stripped out the head of the transmission plug. I ordered the upgraded oil plugs from value accessories. I am hoping an easy-out will grip the plug enough to remove it. Those darn BRP engineers should be fired. Even an experienced mechanic can run into this problem.
    If you are replacing the plug anyway, you can drill the plug deep enough to set the easy-out. Harbor Freight even has left-handed drill bits so not to make the problem any worse.
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    Many problems have been observed by torquing the oil plugs. Just hand tighten the plugs and then 1/4 turn with a wrench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER View Post
    Many problems have been observed by torquing the oil plugs. Just hand tighten the plugs and then 1/4 turn with a wrench.
    Yeah my mistake, what on earth was I thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel The Biker View Post
    I have done many oil changes on my Spyders over the years and never had an issue. Today Murphy stopped by and stripped out the head of the transmission plug. I ordered the upgraded oil plugs from value accessories. I am hoping an easy-out will grip the plug enough to remove it. Those darn BRP engineers should be fired. Even an experienced mechanic can run into this problem.
    I also had to use a easy-out. I did not have to drill the plug, just tapped it in and removed it.
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    Jack it up high enough to get a short swing with a hammer. Take the plastic under there off, if it is in the way. You can tap the edges of the plug with a small cold chisel, or maybe a center punch ground to a small flat on the end. The stuck plug should begin to turn. Be sure you are tapping in the right direction. It is upside down. I have took lots of them out like that, not just on Spyders, but on all kind of vehicles. Don't need to hit it hard, just steady tapping. Hitting it too hard will cut the edges off the plug. You don't want to cut into the plug, just tap hard enough to keep a bump pressure in the direction to remove the plug.

    I use the fiber sandwich washers on the oil plugs. The fiber washers are for oil drain plugs on many foreign cars. You can get a whole box of them for a couple dollars. Just hand tight is plenty on the oil plugs. If it is leaking, you will be able to see the oil drops under it. Never had one leak just hand tight with a 3/8 shorty ratchet.

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    Thanks for advice on this. I had a mechanic change oil last time and he said he had trouble so I was wondering about the easy out. I have replacement plugs so I'm prepared there.

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    Default Use oil extractor on Spyder?

    I owned a fancy car that recommended, almost demanded, I use an oil suction extractor for changing oil instead of the drain plug. I'd never thought about it, but inboard boat motors have a heck of a problem with oil changes... Hard to get "under" 'em. I used one of these pumps from West Marine to change oil in a variety of vehicles, including the afore mentioned fancy car. You still get messy with the filter change, but the oil change is much neater.

    Of course this doesn't fix today's problem, but it does offer an end-around to the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER View Post
    Many problems have been observed by torquing the oil plugs. Just hand tighten the plugs and then 1/4 turn with a wrench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel The Biker View Post
    I have done many oil changes on my Spyders over the years and never had an issue. Today Murphy stopped by and stripped out the head of the transmission plug. I ordered the upgraded oil plugs from value accessories. I am hoping an easy-out will grip the plug enough to remove it. Those darn BRP engineers should be fired. Even an experienced mechanic can run into this problem.
    Spyders for as long as I can remember have had a Varnish issue that makes them hard to re-move ....unless you rap the socket fairly hard to break it free. ..... good luck .... Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2cod View Post
    I owned a fancy car that recommended, almost demanded, I use an oil suction extractor for changing oil instead of the drain plug. I'd never thought about it, but inboard boat motors have a heck of a problem with oil changes... Hard to get "under" 'em. I used one of these pumps from West Marine to change oil in a variety of vehicles, including the afore mentioned fancy car. You still get messy with the filter change, but the oil change is much neater.

    Of course this doesn't fix today's problem, but it does offer an end-around to the situation.

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    Default Oil Drain

    ...Well folks the only way to get all or most of the Oil out is to remove the drain plug. The Spyder Engine has several compartments.Trying to get out the Oil with a suction tool just doesn't work. So Sorry to say.

    Do yourself a favor and carefully read your manual. Then you should not have to many issues. Just wanted everyone to know and understand about Oil drain problems.

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    I got lucky, I just did an oil change a couple weeks ago and had gotten the "standard" replacement plugs from Lamonster. The torx plug was no issue, but the allen plug was almost rounded out. They're both out now and replaced.
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    Got my torque values reversed (Duh) and striped the trans plug, thought I would have to get out the ez outs. I was able to remove it with my fingers. No tools needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipveres View Post
    If you are replacing the plug anyway, you can drill the plug deep enough to set the easy-out. Harbor Freight even has left-handed drill bits so not to make the problem any worse.
    Chip
    Even though I have a Harbor Freight within a few minutes of my house, I have found that not everybody is similarly blessed.

    However, ... I have also seen left-handed drill bits at Auto Zone, Advance Auto, O'Reilly's, etc. THEY are on just about every street corner.

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    Do you think a dab or 2 of that J B Weld could sort this.

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    I had the same problem on my 2010 RS SE5, but the Allen head that stripped out was on the bottom of the engine. Fortunately there was like a 16th of an inch that I was able to get a pair of vice grips on and knock it loose. I replaced that plug, as well as the HCM plug with Gold Plugs that have a hex head for sockets. I agree with you about the “engineer” that designed the OEM system. I have an intense dislike for engineers. Everything is amazing on paper drawings, but they haven’t a clue about what we go through in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isopedella View Post
    Do you think a dab or 2 of that J B Weld could sort this.

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    What is that? Is that metal? If you put a backing piece on it JB might hold it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus1300 View Post
    What is that? Is that metal? If you put a backing piece on it JB might hold it.
    Thanks for the reply, but it's just a random plucked from the net.

    I guess it is a graphic reminder those who poo poo Torques and offer advice to all to just to do it up and what may occur.

    While some appreciate how soft some of these metals are on the bikes others really have no idea and it can lead to unnecessary damage and tricky remedies.

    Like my thread on the 3rd peg mount bolt torque value for example.
    Just do it up was offered.
    That bolt had to be quite tight to hold the dropper and peg in place when my full munchkin body weight went on it.
    Imagine how much of a job to fix that if it stripped out?

    Not everybody here can turn a nut, resulting in damaged and stripped threads.

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    Well put up.

    Provide examples of that claim

    where a correctly torqued bolt

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    I did read where the bloke was doing his best to refit the plugs got them mixed and over torqued one.

    Commiserations.

    At least you were attempting to do the job to a high degree of competency but got a little lost along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwolf View Post
    How do you get the suction tube through the drain galleries into the lower sump?
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    You can't. I used mine several times on my previous F3 and it pulls out about 3 quarts.
    Not recommending this, but if you can no longer get down and do a proper change, its better than nothing.

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    Next time your under the , Raised up a bit, take a Dremel tool to the opening in the plastic pan on both bolts. Soooo much easier and cleaner to drain out the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
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    Next time your under the , Raised up a bit, take a Dremel tool to the opening in the plastic pan on both bolts. Soooo much easier and cleaner to drain out the oil.

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