..EMERGENCY .. for 2022 RYKER owners - recall on Handle-bar bolts!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

As I understand, 2 bolts have broken while riding and another 56 have broken while the bikes were being prep'd by dealers.
So, out of 9,300 bikes, 1 out of 160 produced had the problem. I think that is pretty significant. And, that's not counting bikes that would break in the near future if the bolts are not corrected. I sure wouldn't be riding no matter how much the urge. Just my observation from a sideline viewer..... Jim

I'm confused .... " 9,300 bikes.... 1 out of 160 had a problem " .... what happened with the other 9140 bikes .... Also as to bolt strength, I have seen them rated at ... 10.3 .... just sayin .... Mike

[canamjhb]

I'm confused .... " 9,300 bikes.... 1 out of 160 had a problem " .... what happened with the other 9140 bikes .... Also as to bolt strength, I have seen them rated at ... 10.3 .... just sayin .... Mike

Mike,

As I see it, there were 9,300 bikes produced. A total of 58 of those bikes had bolts break. 9,300 divided by 58 = one out of every 160 bikes (so far) have had bolts break. I haven't seen anything about any particular year, run date, or anything else pinpointing which bikes have faulty bolts. I believe all bikes are suspect which is why they are all being recalled. BRP does not want people riding their bikes until the repair is complete. That's because of the potential of more bolts breaking. I sure wouldn't want to be aggressively going through the twisties or riding the interstate and have the steering bolt suddenly break. If I owned a Ryker, I would not ride it until it is repaired..... Jim

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike,

As I see it, there were 9,300 bikes produced. A total of 58 of those bikes had bolts break. 9,300 divided by 58 = one out of every 160 bikes (so far) have had bolts break. I haven't seen anything about any particular year, run date, or anything else pinpointing which bikes have faulty bolts. I believe all bikes are suspect which is why they are all being recalled. BRP does not want people riding their bikes until the repair is complete. That's because of the potential of more bolts breaking. I sure wouldn't want to be aggressively going through the twisties or riding the interstate and have the steering bolt suddenly break. If I owned a Ryker, I would not ride it until it is repaired..... Jim

Thank you .... now it makes sense ....... Do you think it's possible that the Dealer assemblers were OVER-torquing them ???? PMK just posted an excellent explanation about what over-torquing does .......... Mike

[MudBug]

Mike,

As I see it, there were 9,300 bikes produced. A total of 58 of those bikes had bolts break. 9,300 divided by 58 = one out of every 160 bikes (so far) have had bolts break. I haven't seen anything about any particular year, run date, or anything else pinpointing which bikes have faulty bolts. I believe all bikes are suspect which is why they are all being recalled. BRP does not want people riding their bikes until the repair is complete. That's because of the potential of more bolts breaking. I sure wouldn't want to be aggressively going through the twisties or riding the interstate and have the steering bolt suddenly break. If I owned a Ryker, I would not ride it until it is repaired..... Jim

This recall is for 2022 Rykers. I don't understand why you don't think a particular year is pinpointed. I don't think this defective bolt is a concern for Ryker owners of all model years.

[MudBug]

To be fair. The 'Exploding' Pinto was a focused hit piece. Many cars of that era had similar, rear mounted fuel tanks, resulting in some fiery crash scenarios. While not necessarily as safe as it might have been, it was not worse than others in the field. And Ford did extensive testing to get the design certified by DOT.

The people who did the exploding Pinto video destroyed several Pintos with ever increasing speeds and destruction in attempt to create the desired explosion. But without success. Frustrated, they mounted a remotely triggered ignition device and proceeded with a final run at a speed and force which collapsed the rear of the Pinto all the way into the back seat. Fuel spewed everywhere, but still no explosion as the larger car pushed the Pinto along. At which point they triggered the ignition device they had rigged. This is why the resulting explosion was so delayed in the video. The previous videos where no fire resulted were not shown or mentioned. Making it appear as if their first attempt was successful. In other words. It was agenda, not scientific test, driven.

None of this was revealed until after the law suit against Ford was settled.

Not exactly a fair and equitable way to determine fault.

Thank you for pointing this out, Ron. I remember the original story and when it was discredited. It was absolutely criminal what those people did to falsify the crash test results.

[canamjhb]

This recall is for 2022 Rykers. I don't understand why you don't think a particular year is pinpointed. I don't think this defective bolt is a concern for Ryker owners of all model years.

Yes, you are correct. In my foggy minded haste, I got too far ahead of the facts. Sorry If I caused concern needlessly. I'll go sit in my corner now.....

[JonShadow]

I'm going to call my dealer today. I'll see if they'll pick mine up without charging me. I really hope BRP isn't leaving the tow expense to us. It's pretty crappy to tell us not to ride and then not pay for a tow.

I'm waiting on a new oil filler/dipstick neck to come in for warranty repair as it is.

[GrandPubah916]

I spoke with Elk Grove Powersport on Saturday. They're telling me it could be up to a month before they get the part. I'm sure I'm going to have to pay to have it towed either way. I'm sure if they did cover the tow it would be a reimbursement. Best of luck to everyone.Wish I could just order the part and do it myself.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I spoke with Elk Grove Powersport on Saturday. They're telling me it could be up to a month before they get the part. I'm sure I'm going to have to pay to have it towed either way. I'm sure if they did cover the tow it would be a reimbursement. Best of luck to everyone.Wish I could just order the part and do it myself.

Just buy some 10.3 Grade bolts and have total peace of mind .... they arn't cheap but they will solve the issue .....JMHO .... Mike

[EchoVictor]

I spoke with Elk Grove Powersport on Saturday. They're telling me it could be up to a month before they get the part.

Ouch. I already got the call from my dealer that mine is fixed, so it sure seems to be hit-or-miss on which dealers got parts and which didn't.

Maybe try another dealer?

Later,
EV

[vpcs77]

U turn Fasteners has a 10.9 replacement

[canamryder]

Just buy some 10.3 Grade bolts and have total peace of mind .... they arn't cheap but they will solve the issue .....JMHO .... Mike

(1) M8 X 100mm & DON'T FORGET to pick up a (1) M8 washer....you might need it.

[Sarge707]

(1) M8 X 100mm & DON'T FORGET to pick up a (1) M8 washer....you might need it.

The replacemment bolt is 95mm so it doesn't pancake the bottom threads if they over torque it. Sometimes the 100mm would catch shavings on the bottom so they are told to clean the hole.

[canamryder]

Thank you .... now it makes sense ....... Do you think it's possible that the Dealer assemblers were OVER-torquing them ???? PMK just posted an excellent explanation about what over-torquing does .......... Mike

Someone please help us out? Someone mentioned in their "reply" that the original 2022 bolts were made out of Aluminum....whaaat! I can't find that reply now...was I dreaming? Anyway maybe BRP changed the material (supply shortage?) and didn't change the torque specs. Does anyone have a detailed manual for the 2022 Rykers. Look up the torque spec. of the bolt and compare to the 2019 spec. Maybe BRP don't use torque wrenches when they are behind schedule.
This screenshot is from a 2019 manual.

[Markubis]

No way they were made from aluminum. Can you find where you read that?

[JonShadow]

I did see this guy claim the bolts are aluminum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Pj...l=ChipMitchell

I'm not happy that I have taken my wife for a ride on a Ryker that might break its handlebar bolt.

[Raven]

I can't see BRP using Aluminum to save money, costs a lot more than steel.
As I said before this is a supplier issue.
I bet these guys make more than one type of bolt for BRP and will be bending over backwards to correct the problem.
Believe me you don't want to be on the customers bad side with something like this.

[JonShadow]

I do engineering work for an FDA listed electronics manufacturer. We buy parts from suppliers regularly. We sometimes find that suppliers have sent us parts that our quality assurance people find are out of spec. We issue harsh corrective action requirements to those suppliers. I expect that is happening right now at BRP.

[EchoVictor]

Maybe BRP don't use torque wrenches when they are behind schedule.

No OEM would skip torque controls to meet a schedule. That's just asking for a lawsuit.

Besides, BRP doesn't run this bolt down themselves. It's part of the Pre-Deilvery Inspection/Assembly that's performed by the dealer. Bolt rundown is at 2:50 of this PDI video;



Later,
EV

[Raven]

No OEM would skip torque controls to meet a schedule. That's just asking for a lawsuit.

Besides, BRP doesn't run this bolt down themselves. It's part of the Pre-Deilvery Inspection/Assembly that's performed by the dealer. Bolt rundown is at 2:50 of this PDI video;

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Later,
EV

Interesting, thanks for sharing.
It looks like it is a retaining bolt and just holds the handle bar bracket down on the shaft.
Not a lot of stress on the bolt itself, or a very high torque setting for the bolt.
With production tracking, they can track down to the time a part was made.
I think BRP pulled the whole run, just to be safe.

[EdMat]

Read somewhere that the bolts were good, just short.

[GrandPubah916]

I've tried several and they are all telling me that I need to go to the dealership I purchased the Ryker from. I would love to go to another, more competent dealership

[GeorgeXP700]

You can take your ride anywhere you want as long it’s an authorized BRP dealer. Being that said they may put you on a back burner and take care of their regulars first.

[SportsterDoc]

Appears this issue is a couple years old
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...olt-Broken-how

According to RideApart, the issue is thread length

On July 13, 2022, Bombardier Recreational Products (BRP) issued a recall for certain 2022 Can-Am Ryker trikes. The issue? The bolt that connects the handlebar stem to the steering is too short, which could cause the bolt to break due to insufficient thread length. This could cause loss of control and, in worse case scenarios, a crash.

BRP states that 9,353 2022 Rykers are involved in the recall, which is number 2022-16. The company advises new Ryker owners to park their trikes and not ride them until the recall remedy can be performed. To fix the problem, dealers will remove the insufficient bolt, clean the threads in the steering column, and install a new, proper steering stem bolt—all free of charge.

Ryker owners will receive a notification letter sometime in late July or early August to inform them of the recall. More proactive owners can contact BRP customer service at 888-272-9222 or the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) at 888-327-4236 for more information about the recall.

[SportsterDoc]

The bolt, BRP part # 230680054 is M8x100 for 2019, 2020 and 2021
Could not find if 2022 is shorter.
Torque is only 18 ft #

If I had a 2022, I would remove the bolt and buy one 5mm or maybe 10 mm longer.

Probably use grade 8.8, as 10.9 might be overkill for the receiving end.

However, after re-reading this thread and noting Sarge707's comments:

"The replacemment bolt is 95mm so it doesn't pancake the bottom threads if they over torque it. Sometimes the 100mm would catch shavings on the bottom so they are told to clean the hole"

...do not now know if it should be 95mm or 105 mm...if RideApart is incorrect.

Sarge, what is your source on that?