Any more feedback on Kenda Kanines?

[bikerbillone]

Blue, so true, so true.

[WilcoJunoHotel]

I've put the Kanines on my last 2 RTLs when the OEM wore out. I traded the last one before I wore the Canine out and only have 6000 miles on this Kanine. I like them. They handle fine wet and dry and seem to wear longer than OEM. I'm not concerned with getting 50000 miles out of a rear tire on my Spyder. If I get 10K I'm good to replace it. I think they (Kanines) will run between 10k and 12K. I think all these wide and flat tires will wear the center out first. My motorcycle did the same and would last 10000 miles also. The Spyder cost less to replace a rear tire by about $100. Just my opinion and experience with these tires.

A motorcycle tire has a round profile so if it wears in the middle it is because it spent most of its life going in a straight line.

A car tire or a Spyder tire is a completely different design and it should not wear out in the middle leaving perfectly good tread on the outside parts of the tire.

There are motorcycle riders (Iron Butt) that use car tires on their motorcycles (Dark siders) so that they won't wear in the middle.

[BajaRon]

I didn't read Mike's comment that way at all Papa - I read it to mean that until they tried electric lights, oil lamp users thought their lamps were great, cos they didn't know any better; inferring that until they try 'proper' car tires, Kenda users will think the Kendas are great too, cos they don't know any better!

As for the tire formula & the lower pressures that are recommended here when using car tires under our 'much lighter than your average car' Spyders, that formula isn't used "get the same hight tire (making it narrower or wider), then running half the air pressure that is recommended so it will ride better", it's basically just an 'easier for most to use' & a repeatable/fine-tunable version of the fairly complex formula that tire developers/designers use to work out the pressures they recommend for any pneumatic tires when they're used on a given vehicle, including under those heavier cars, heavy transport trucks, other lightweight vehicles running pneumatic tires, and even under motorcycles - the result varies according to the load imposed... So since it works pretty well for all those other vehicles & the range of loads they impose upon their tires, it only stands to reason that it still applies for the lighter loads that Spyders place upon their tires too, with the capability of checking & adjusting if/when the operator is so inclined &/or conditions change....

But, once you buy them, they are your tires, & it's your Spyder, so you can do whatever you will with them.... but it does seem a little odd to me that you'll happily use the formula derived recommended pressures in the tires you've got fitted on your car, but you'll balk at using the same basic formula to optimise the ride, handling, traction, & tire life et al in any car tires you might want to fit to your Spyder?!?

But like I said, they're your tires, & it's your Spyder.....

I agree with your analysis Peter. I don't think anyone here is trying to make others feel stupid or ignorant. I've had this same thing happen to me several times in my life. Thinking I had the better mouse trap and considering others to be wrong. I've come to realized that sometimes, you just don't know till you try. I used to think people who spent more money on a mirrored face shield were wasting their money just to be cool. Well, I was much too smart to fall for that, thank you very much. My dark smoke shield was cheap and all I would ever need. Until one day in New Mexico, on a lonely desert road in the scorching bright sun I rode into an unlighted tunnel, on a curve. The drastic change in lighting meant I could not see a thing. And, because it was a tunnel in a curve, there was no light at the end to point me in the right direction.

As soon as I got home I purchased one of the mirrored shields that I'd disdained for so long. Low and behold! Not only was it good in drastic light transitions as with my tunnel experience. But the view was much brighter, clearer and more color accurate. But without the nasty glare that I had been trying to get rid of with the dark smoke shield. I've never gone back and I recommend the more expensive mirrored shield to anyone who will listen. They really are that much better.

It's important to listen to well meaning advise as just that. Take it or leave it. But don't fault the teller for trying to help.

[Peteoz]

I asked myself that question last year. Annnnnnnd the answer was 'for me' I could not find anyone to install my 'car tire '. Soooooo I was forced to go with the OEM. ...

Me too, Blue…..I removed my rear wheel and took it to a tyre shop last time, but for me it was a right pain in the arse. I will get my dealer (who I trust), to do it in future, but I WILL be buying Kanines, as they needed virtually no balance weights, handle well and tyre life is not as high a priority for me as wet and dry handling is.

Pete

[Papa103]

I agree with your analysis Peter. I don't think anyone here is trying to make others feel stupid or ignorant. I've had this same thing happen to me several times in my life. Thinking I had the better mouse trap and considering others to be wrong. I've come to realized that sometimes, you just don't know till you try. I used to think people who spent more money on a mirrored face shield were wasting their money just to be cool. Well, I was much too smart to fall for that, thank you very much. My dark smoke shield was cheap and all I would ever need. Until one day in New Mexico, on a lonely desert road in the scorching bright sun I rode into an unlighted tunnel, on a curve. The drastic change in lighting meant I could not see a thing. And, because it was a tunnel in a curve, there was no light at the end to point me in the right direction.

As soon as I got home I purchased one of the mirrored shields that I'd disdained for so long. Low and behold! Not only was it good in drastic light transitions as with my tunnel experience. But the view was much brighter, clearer and more color accurate. But without the nasty glare that I had been trying to get rid of with the dark smoke shield. I've never gone back and I recommend the more expensive mirrored shield to anyone who will listen. They really are that much better.

It's important to listen to well meaning advise as just that. Take it or leave it. But don't fault the teller for trying to help.

The op didn't ask for opinions he asked for people that had experience with the tire. None of the people that are saying how bad the tire is have ever owned one. That is an oponion.

[BajaRon]

When Kenda starts supplying the Kanine again, there will be more opinions based upon experience. Right now it's a mute point since no one has any to sell.

[bikerbillone]

Ron, I had no idea, thank for the shield tip.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

The op didn't ask for opinions he asked for people that had experience with the tire. None of the people that are saying how bad the tire is have ever owned one. That is an oponion.

Well my EXPERIENCE is with ALL tires ... It's call knowledge derived from using " Tire Science ". .... Both Peter and I have posted many times about the quality of KENDA Spyder tires ( they do work ok on wheelbarrows ) .... WE do this to Educate the other 30,000 members on this forum. .... I have posted a few times on this Thread already, and I won't delete any of them. When you are given FREE helpful info about something ... you can use it or toss it. I was very fortunate to get a free education about tires . from EXPERTS ... Peter& I share what we learned about tires to our Brothers & Sisters of the Forum. Sorry if you think that's not a good idea.... I'm going to continue .... Feel free to add me to your IGNORE list ..... ride happy - ride safe ....Mike

[bikerbillone]

Outstanding response BlkeKnight, please continue your advice, I do appreciate it.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Outstanding response BlkeKnight, please continue your advice, I do appreciate it.

Well thank you ...I appreciate the compliment. .... Both Peter and I do what we do to help / assist everyone else here .....Mike

[JKMSPYDER]

What I don’t understand is why some dealers will mount an auto tire and some will not. I live in western NC and there are three dealers within 110 miles of me that will mount auto tires. I’m lucky there! My Spyder now has 66,000 miles on it and 56,000 miles have been with auto tires on the rear and 46,000 miles with auto tires on the fronts.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

What I don’t understand is why some dealers will mount an auto tire and some will not. I live in western NC and there are three dealers within 110 miles of me that will mount auto tires. I’m lucky there! My Spyder now has 66,000 miles on it and 56,000 miles have been with auto tires on the rear and 46,000 miles with auto tires on the fronts.

Some dealers have *ALLS .... and this is against BRP policy so KUDO's to those dealers .....Mike

[WilcoJunoHotel]

The op didn't ask for opinions he asked for people that had experience with the tire. None of the people that are saying how bad the tire is have ever owned one. That is an oponion.

See post #3.

My 2 riding buddies (2018 & 2019 Spyders) also have used the OEM Kendas and the Kanines. Both of them got roughly the same mileages as I did and all of our rear tires wore out in the middle. We are all running car tires in the back now.

[BajaRon]

What I don’t understand is why some dealers will mount an auto tire and some will not. I live in western NC and there are three dealers within 110 miles of me that will mount auto tires. I’m lucky there! My Spyder now has 66,000 miles on it and 56,000 miles have been with auto tires on the rear and 46,000 miles with auto tires on the fronts.

There is virtually no money in mounting tires. It's more of a customer service, loss leader event. They are hoping it helps them sell tires. Which is also a relatively low profit product in many cases. Some believe there is a liability issue involved with putting a 'Car' tire on a Spyder/Ryker, which I am convinced is not true. But to some, it just isn't worth it. Easier and, in their mind smarter, to just say no and move on.

If they got sued, they would win. But there is more to a liability case than just winning. There is the time, energy and expense which cannot be compensated for. Tire shops are there to service your vehicle. Not to compete in the chess game which our legal system has become. I am grateful for the ones who will install a car tire for us. But I do not blame the ones who do not.

[bikerbillone]

I am one who grumbles about that very thing Ron, but you sure make a great point.

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[ARtraveler]

I put a rear K9 tire on my 2019 F3L at 13,000 miles. It replaced the OEM Kenda which was worn down, but usable. I believe I could have got another 3K.

I had front K9's put on at 19,400 miles. It replaced OEM Kenda and they were not worn out yet. I would have estimated another 5K miles minimum.

I now have 20,444 miles on the F3L. Both the fronts and the back look like new. Approx 7K on the rear now and 1K on the fronts. I will get at least this riding season out of the tires, and maybe most of next.