Dealer Gouging on 2022 Ryker models

[Peteoz]

With the willingness of some here to pay more than a product is worth, I've decided to offer my '20 RT Base w/sway bar, shocks, tires, PV3, PC, heated seat, DRLs, etc. for a mere $26,000 USD OTD. Delivery extra.

In reality, Ray, what your first line should have said is -

“With the willingness of some here to pay more than “what I think” a product is worth”

Some out there will feel that, to them, the product should be cheaper than what YOU think it is worth, while others will feel happy to pay more than what YOU think it is worth, as that is what the product is worth to THEM. That is simply a fact of life. If you ask $26,000 and get no takers, you drop your price. If you get several offers, you up the price to $27,000 to see who among the interested feels it is worth that to them……or would you consider getting that extra grand in your pocket, price gouging on your part? …… it isn’t, it is simply market supply and demand.

Pete

[MudBug]

Not relevant because it doesn't fit your agenda.

I agree. The gentleman never even said what industry his Japanese company was part of.

[MudBug]

If I read p38's original post, it seems like the $2500 is being tacked on more like a luxury tax because "they can". All new vehicles are subject to shipping/destination charges, so there's no surprise there, but are these fees unreasonably greater than last time we all bought our vehicles? Paying over MSRP always gave me heartburn, so I don't (especially for vehicles). I wanted a particular luxury watch for Christmas, but everybody including eBay was charging about 50% over MSRP because they can. Supposedly supply is tight, yet I had no trouble finding one. I found a different brand for less that wasn't sold for 150% of MSRP. Back to Rykers - my dealer gave me a great deal over a year ago. I don't even know what the "setup fee" was, but it wasn't much. Perhaps BRP should bake the setup fee into the MSRP if they can't ship them assembled. I do know I would have walked away if the dealer presented a scenario where I had to pay $2500 more than I expected because of "market conditions". I had already gone to a dealer 40 miles away because my local one had zero interest in selling me anything or even offering a test ride. I understand the comments about this hobby not being cheap and dealers needing to stay alive however they can if they don't have enough product. However, there is also a reason there is intense hatred out there for some auto and powersports dealers. Some of them are just bad players exploiting people's emotions. I understand p38's frustration. Not everybody having this hobby is made of money (I'm NOT directing this at p38), and things like "markups because we can" are seriously disappointing to people who thought they could get a piece of the pie based on what now seems to be an artificial MSRP. Tacking unreasonable fees to the MSRP just rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

So I bought a 2021 600 last year and was ready to upgrade but the current setup fees are a no-go for me. Here in the Dallas, TX area, they are asking $2500 in freight and set up and when asked about it, the explanation I was given was because of market conditions they have no problems charging that.

Guess the 600 and I are not parting anytime soon ... lol

Has anyone any experience lately with dealer fees?

[UtahPete]

I agree. The gentleman never even said what industry his Japanese company was part of.

It's not motorsports. Might as well be comparing apples to propane tanks.

[askitee]

With most of the BRP dealers renegotiating their dealer agreements here in Australia, it may be safe to assume the same happened in the US. They have some pretty tight sales numbers, so if it were me I'd be letting the "gougers" hang themselves and buy from those that dont.

Mind you we are seeing dealerships of any brand of car/bike/truck/ATV/watercraft doing the same due to supply issues

[CloverHillCrawler]

If it is a static cost then why is it not factored in on the base price?

[MudBug]

If it is a static cost then why is it not factored in on the base price?

I agree. Dealers adding arbitrary fees because they're having a bad year reminds me of prohibiting a credit card unless you spend a certain amount, "18% gratuity automatically added for parties over 8 people", and finance people adding payment protection (insurance) to your car note without asking. It leaves you feeling sour.

[ARtraveler]

I agree. Dealers adding arbitrary fees because they're having a bad year reminds me of prohibiting a credit card unless you spend a certain amount, "18% gratuity automatically added for parties over 8 people", and finance people adding payment protection (insurance) to your car note without asking. It leaves you feeling sour.

RE: payment protection insurance charges: Most contracts have a special signature line that must be signed by the buyer. You will be pointed to it when you get to the "sign here" part. I am careful to look at everything I am signing. I actually have fun with this one. I always thank them for pre-filling it out and always tell them, no way. Purchase of this extra is NOT a requirement to get the loan. i tell them if I crash the bike or car that's your problem, not mine. It is a profit making add on by the dealer.

[MudBug]

RE: payment protection insurance charges: Most contracts have a special signature line that must be signed by the buyer. You will be pointed to it when you get to the "sign here" part. I am careful to look at everything I am signing. I actually have fun with this one. I always thank them for pre-filling it out and always tell them, no way. Purchase of this extra is NOT a requirement to get the loan. i tell them if I crash the bike or car that's your problem, not mine. It is a profit making add on by the dealer.

Right. I got burned by that many years ago in my 20s. I saw it later and had them redo the contract and take it off. I think it was adding $7 to my payment or something. These days, you have to decline their requests to add paint and various other extended warranties at time of sale. They wanted to sell me crap that amounted to $300 per month added to my already awesome payment when I bought my F-150. That alone is a car payment for some people!

[Raven]

I see on the Can-Am site that there is a " commodity surcharge" plus freight and taxes.
Anyone know what a " commodity surcharge is ?
Never heard of it.

[Peter Aawen]

I see on the Can-Am site that there is a " commodity surcharge" plus freight and taxes.
Anyone know what a " commodity surcharge is ?
Never heard of it.

There's a whole 'nuther thread on that!

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ight=Commodity

[dewity]

I had a good experience my dealer got their ryker in before the raise in extra shipping charges. I only got charged around 700 instead of the new rate. I paid list for the bike. No gouging on my purchase. Guess I am lucky.

[k3232668]

Hi EchoVictor, where/what dealership did you purchase from. I’m looking to get one if possible. Thanks

[EchoVictor]

Hey k,

I wound up going with K&W Cycle out of Shelby Township. Talk to Jeff Siladke. He was very up-front and direct with me.

If I wouldn't have done the deal with K&W, the next best place that I got good response from was Nord Ride in Mt. Morris (which is a fair bit closer to you).

Good luck,
EV

P.S. Which model you going after?

[k3232668]

I’m thinking the Rally but could possibly settle for the sport. I really like that they added cruise control to them. I’ve owned a 2009 RS Spyder as well as a 2016 RTS Spyder but missed 2 wheels and went back to them. Currently ride a 2016 Versys 650 but have liked the Rykers since they came out. Never have ridden one yet. Hoping to go to bike week in Daytona come March and get a demo ride on the Ryker. Thanks.

[EchoVictor]

Last time I talked to the guys at K&W, they said they were getting six Sport models in sometime around February. I figure ours is included in that number, so he'll have five more left that might be unspoken for.

Later,
EV

[Tucker01]

So I bought a 2021 600 last year and was ready to upgrade but the current setup fees are a no-go for me. Here in the Dallas, TX area, they are asking $2500 in freight and set up and when asked about it, the explanation I was given was because of market conditions they have no problems charging that.

Guess the 600 and I are not parting anytime soon ... lol

Has anyone any experience lately with dealer fees?

Try Fremont Motorsports in Florence colorado . They don’t charge any set up , freight fees .,just local taxes . 2022 ryker 900 sport = 11,999

[EchoVictor]

Just a reminder for folks thinking about buying new.

The Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) on a Ryker is a fair bit more involved on the dealer's end than your usual new car.

They're got to uncrate the bike, and then do a bit of final assembly in their shop.
Here's a good video that shows everything the dealer tech has to do;



After watching this, I was more understanding of my dealer charging me at least a little something for freight/delivery....
(just not over $2k worth like some guys wanted to charge me!!!).

Later,
EV

[jtoro1]

Call I motorsports you could trade in your bike there'll pick it up and bring you your new bike your to your house it was the best experience I have ever had. They are on spyderlovers main page.

[Azbronco]

When I bought my Ryker in 2019, I don't think my dealer charged me for freight and assembly. They also gave me 25% off any accessories I bought at the same time and gave me free installation--so I loaded up with everything I wanted.

3 years later I decided to upgrade to a Spyder. I went back to the same dealer and this time they aren't waving freight and assembly and no discounts or free installation on accessories. Considering the environment we're in, I feel like that's all fair--I asked about discounts and they basically said "sorry, not this time." Looking at my invoice, I paid $765 commodity surcharge, $685 freight, and $430 assembly--total of $1,880. They did not toss on an extra "$1,000 markup to MSRP because we can" surcharge, which I appreciate (honestly, I probably would have kept my Ryker until the stock situation improved if they'd done that).

Honestly, I feel bad for dealers. My dealer only sells Can-Am products so I have no idea how they're staying in business right now. I went to one of the big regional dealerships last weekend and they had a small selection of used bikes, but almost nothing new (they're one of the mega-malls that sells Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha, BMW, KTM, Ducati, Vespa, Can-Am, Polaris...you get the idea). In the past when I've gone there, the showroom had just about one of everything from every dealer on the floor--it was sad last weekend. Dealers who do add the extra "because we can" fees will still sell the inventory because someone will want it badly enough now to pay it, but long-term it could backfire when people tell their friends "I like my motorcycle, but the dealership took advantage of me so I'll never go back there."

[dale001]

I wish they (that Fremont Colorado dealer) delivered to Pennsylvania. haha

[Bitten]

Best deal I was offered on a 2022 Rally in Dallas was 16.8k, so I opted to buy a 2021 with 920 miles for 9.5k.
Loads of funds left over for custom mods now!

[FrogmanDave]

When I bought my Ryker in 2019, I don't think my dealer charged me for freight and assembly. They also gave me 25% off any accessories I bought at the same time and gave me free installation--so I loaded up with everything I wanted.

I just signed a contract on a new 2022 Spyder RTL in October and got this exact same deal. There are still good dealers out there. It was delivered to the dealer this week but is waiting on one part before they take it out of the crate and assemble it. For sure I did not pay any freight or assembly charge.

[LimaNiner]

Navydad,
IMHO your's is the best reply to any post on the forum.

[wtrskinut1]

I wish they (that Fremont Colorado dealer) delivered to Pennsylvania. haha

There are dealers in PA, or at least one, that does not charge these fees. I purchased my S2S last year with no fees and almost 2000 off MSRP. Things may be different now though.
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