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    Build all the EV's you want, but there is not the infrastructure to support it.

    Our current grid can't support the capacity of the load that EV's are going to throw at it.

    The whole EV crowd is going to shriek when they find out that they bought a vehicle that they can't get power to.

    One of the guys at work is going through this now with his HOA. People in town houses are now wanting to install charging stations in their front yards and run cords across the streets to the common parking area.

    HOA : nope not allowed for obvious reasons and there is no electrical capacity nearby to install a charging station in the common area. One homeowner went ahead and installed the charging station at his house and is running the cord across the street causing all sorts of issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CloverHillCrawler View Post
    One of the guys at work is going through this now with his HOA. People in town houses are now wanting to install charging stations in their front yards and run cords across the streets to the common parking area.
    I won't say stupidity but I will certainly say this is a lack of forethought. To purchase a vehicle that you can't charge in your own garage or wherever wasn't very bright to say the least.

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    Build all the EV's you want, but there is not the infrastructure to support it.
    You know there was no infrastructure to support those newfangled horseless carriages either. Where could you buy gas? Nowhere. I guess we have seen where that headed. To a gas station on just about every corner of every town in this country. And plenty along the highways. Batteries will get better, last longer, and charge much quicker. Have no doubt about it, lack of infrastructure is NOT going to stop electric vehicles from being developed from here on out. Most industry experts predict there will be no internal combustion engines being produced at all in the next 20 years. The times they are a changing.
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    They can build charging stations on every freaking corner of America, but until these 'engineers' build a battery that do the trip miles needed.... no one wants to stop mid trip and spend hours reading a book while charging a battery, that is foolish thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerbillone View Post
    They can build charging stations on every freaking corner of America, but until these 'engineers' build a battery that do the trip miles needed.... no one wants to stop mid trip and spend hours reading a book while charging a battery, that is foolish thinking.
    I don't usually jump into the fray, but this is also a "hot button" issue for me.

    There are a lot of complaints that the grid is now outdated and ready to fail at any time. The thought of all the additional electric vehicles drawing on the power grid will surely take it down. And then if we get a cold spell (remember last February)? We were 30 minutes away from rolling brown outs in order to save Texas from their major grid problem.

    The other two complaints I see are range and price.

    Currently with 200 mile expected range (IMO over rated like suggested mpg numbers on car stickers), that will take care of long trips. I don't do many 500 mile days these days...but...when I want to, I want to. And no way am I going to wait in line to get the use of a charger (which I am sure will take a credit card or similar to get a charge). Why do you think they call it a charge and not a free?

    It appears that any electric vehicle can command an extra $20 grand or more. $75K for the Acrimoto is way crazy for what you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerbillone View Post
    They can build charging stations on every freaking corner of America, but until these 'engineers' build a battery that do the trip miles needed.... no one wants to stop mid trip and spend hours reading a book while charging a battery, that is foolish thinking.
    That's the catch though, they can build these every 10 feet if they wanted to, but the amount of generated power along with the infrastructure needed to handle that capacity without melting down from heat (transformers, transfer switches, and wiring) to do rapid charging for the current amount of vehicles on the road on top of what the grid is supplying now is non-existent. Nor will it be anytime in the near future. Remember that great Infrastructure plan 0bama with Biden at his side had back in 2008? Yep neither does anyone else , that's how fast they will move on the current one. All lip service only this time everyone is buying into the lie with an EV.
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    We are considering buying a new car. The only firm decision is it will be a 2 row SUV for the obvious reason; cargo space. The quandary is; what configuration will be under the hood? We don't want to go the plug in hybrid route and have to depend on there being a charger available, or installing one in the home. A hybrid is tempting, but they cost extra for more tech and complexity when the gas version of the same car gets only about 3 mpg less. The additional cost of a hybrid will buy a lot of that 3 mpg.
    Topping our list is the Hyundai Santa Fe. Great build quality, nice materials and finish on the interior, more standard goodies than the competition and it still has control knobs and buttons, so I don't have to depend solely on the touch screen. I've always been an American car guy, but the Santa Fe is tempting. Now to decide; gas or hybrid. Hmm. What say you?
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    Consider the Prius hatchback? Maybe not enough room for your consideration. I get avg 63 mpg on my hybrid, not a plug in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerbillone View Post
    Consider the Prius hatchback? Maybe not enough room for your consideration. I get avg 63 mpg on my hybrid, not a plug in.
    We kinda switched tracks here, but we pretty well covered the subject vehicle, IMHO.
    I like that 63 mpg, but you are correct, we are looking at a larger container. Our present ride is a Chrysler 300C and like the just right size for us.
    There are so many choices out there, even when pared down to the size we want. I welcome more suggestions, especially those based on ownership.
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    Just as I thought after it was posted, sorry for the redundancy.

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    From a resource conservation standpoint the absolute best option is hydrogen. Use solar generated electricity to disassociate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in a water molecule. No resource consumption is needed to create the electricity (other than to manufacture solar panel infrastructure) and replace the water that was used by the water created when the oxygen and hydrogen are combined in a fuel cell or H2 burning engine. Solar energy is limitless as far as human needs go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICZ View Post
    Topping our list is the Hyundai Santa Fe. Great build quality, nice materials and finish on the interior, more standard goodies than the competition and it still has control knobs and buttons, so I don't have to depend solely on the touch screen. I've always been an American car guy, but the Santa Fe is tempting. Now to decide; gas or hybrid. Hmm. What say you?
    It doesn't take long to get used to no knobs and buttons. The thing is I was going to trade in the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2 door and get something with better gas mileage.The better gas mileage thing went out the window when I traded in for a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk. Actually I do get about 2 mpg more with the Trailhawk, and more room since I had a 2 door Wrangler; plus I can still go off roading. It did take awhile to figure out the GPS touch screen menu. Also, the ride is quite smooth.

    You mentioned Santa Fe. How many different engine options are there? I could have gotten the 4 cylinder in the Jeep, which had better gas mileage. But, for me getting into the flow of traffic when entering the highway was more important, so the 6 it was. I thought about the Hyundai Santa Cruz, but didn't want to wait around for it.

    The other thing that played into my choice was the Chrysler Employee discount, the military discount, and the loyalty discount. I love discounts.
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    Wyliec...
    The wife just hijacked my plan with; What do they have that's smaller? That would be the Tucson. It has a 1.6 liter turbo four and the Santa Fe has a 2.5 L turbo four. Our granddaughter has a Kona with the 1.6 L turbo and it goes like a cat on fire. It's a hoot to drive too.
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    The limit for me is how big are the batteries, how heavy are they, how much range I will get at reasonable cruising speed and what is the recharge time. I know I can get 200+ miles on 5 US gallons of gas on my Spyder, and it usually takes me about 10 minutes to queue, fill up, and get ready to ride again and it gives me an easy cruising speed of around 70 mph, two up with luggage for 200+ miles. The energy density of gasoline is quite high compared with contemporary battery technology.

    If an EV gives me approximately the same performance envelope, I would probably buy into it,even if it were say 25% more expensive. However, if the range, speed, load carrying capacity, recharge time, vehicle size and weight factors are not largely as convenient as the gas powered version, it would take a lot of persuading to get me to buy into an EV. I would however sacrifice a bit of range or a small factor of increased refill/recharge time, if the recharge sites were convenient and it takes less than say 10 minutes to charge to full. The reduction in normal servicing costs (apart from battery replacement) would make up for a bit of range loss or recharge time.

    The reality is though, if fewer and fewer cars and SUVs run on gas, i.e. are indeed EVs, the fewer and fewer convenient gas stations there might be over time. Nobody is going to keep a gas station network going just for motorcycles and trikes as gasoline vehicles are replaced with EVs. So, if the switch to EV cars and SUVs really does happen, eventually motorcycles and trikes will have to follow suite. It might not be as a result of direct legislation, but as the result of legislation directed at other vehicle categories. I think it is a freight train coming and twenty years from now there might not be a lot of choice in the matter.
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    What would they be sued for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sduskin View Post
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    I am guessing not. The Japenese are very good at trying to copy other companies patented and copywrighted items. They may be close, but they will be different enough to satisfy the legal eagles.

    The newest Acrimoto was discussed in a recent thread. It got pretty much a thumbs down.

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    Wow that hurt my eyes, first you see the front of that contraption and then the back half gives you a kill shot. I think a warning would have been appropriate.
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    Sued? That would like trying to sue Hyundai because Ford already produce a 4 wheel car.

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    The big difference, among many, is front wheel electric motor drive vs gas engine powered rear wheel drive.
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    I'm sure they looked at the patents first before forging ahead. I personally welcome the competition, if their is any.

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    Looks like a Spyder pickup.

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