2021 RTL cruise control quit

[Mike0123]

Hi ll,
We got caught in the rain last night, not a downpour but a steady rain. While riding home our cruise control quit Everything else seems to work just fine. Seems the CC wont even turn on, like a fuse blew. That leads me to a few questions:

Is there an issue running these in the rain? I think not, but then this happened.

What / where is the fuse for the CC? I RTM, and cant seem to find anything labeled for that, maybe it’s called something different? On a search I saw a reference to right box fuse #5, but that isn’t labeled CC on my bike.

Last question for now ... I also saw a reference to a “Right J-Case fuse box” (I think thats what I read) Where is that and is there a left side J-Case fuse box too?

I know it’ll be warranty, but I’m hoping a fuse blew and it was just loose, or bad timing.

Oh yeah ... one mo thing. There was a little water in the outer fuse box cover! Not the inner one that covers the fuses, but in the outer bigger one. Is that a thing??? That could have been from washing the bike earlier in the day too.

Thanks

[bluewoo]

Most common issue is the operator foot on pedal/or brake switch is stuck on.
Check to make sure your brake lamps are working properly and not stuck on
A lot have had there foot just touching the side of the pedal and it was enough to cause issues
On page 22 on the link below it states

"Cancelling the Cruise Control
Any of the following event will cancel
the cruise control.
– Pressing the brake pedal.
– Gear change.
– Any vehicle stability system intervention."

I do not see a listing for the CC specific fuse in the operators manual,But I know others will chime in as this has been an issue before.
*page 128 on the link below explains the fuse box's* LeftJ case would be drivers left and right would be passenger. Jcase is just the actual fuse block.
Remove two covers to see the Jblock or the fuse box.

https://www.operatorsguides.brp.com/...4-cee9c8e03062

[JayBros]

Regarding the water in the outer fuse box cover, my'14 outer cover gaskets look like Pierre the Knuckle Dragger did a sloppy job during assembly of the Spyder as the lower edge of both L and R covers have shown signs that a bit of water has gotten into them, e.g., a bit of dried grit and appearance there was once a bit of water. The covers come with gaskets already attached and there is no separate PN for the gaskets. I have it on my to-do-when-bored list but the inner covers both have tight seals so I am ryding more and worrying less.

[blacklightning]

Back when I had my 2014 RT, the cruise control would quite working for about 200-300 miles every time after taking it in for a service. It was as if things just went haywire after the bike was hooked up to the buds software. Never figured out what the problem was, but it always reset itself after about 250 miles. Guess it was one of those grimlins.

[bcer960]

Do you have a trailer hitch on the Spyder?

Reason I ask is after a lot of trial and error of the cruise not working, it turns out that water was shorting across the trailer plug ( weather it was plugged into the trailer or not) causing the brake lights to stay on, and thus, no cruise control until the plug dried out.\

Some Dielectric grease in the plug (again, weather it's plugged in or not) finally fixed the issue.

[Mike0123]

Thanks all, no hitch, no stuck brake .... dunno!

[trikermutha]

Take it in for warranty.

[bluewoo]

Take it in for warranty.

Your famous words!!

[Mike0123]

HI, just wanted to let you all know that on my ryde to work this morning the CC was working fine ... perfectly. Maybe I was addled over being caught in the rain Sunday night, I suppose that can happen, but it seems to me it wasn't working Monday evening either. Who knows, maybe if I thought I had an issue I manufactured one!

I'll keep my eye on it, but I just wanted to let you all know.

Thanks!

[trikermutha]

Still could be a brake switch ��

[Mikey]

Or maybe spray a little wd40 in the cruse control switch it self, it may stop any water from slipping in there the next time you get stuck in the rain!

[Mike0123]

To help close this thread, the dealer replaced the switch under warranty. Haven’t had a problem in the 200 miles since ... but I also disconnected the Spyderpops trunk lights / modulator I have hooked up. Time for a ryde, and then to plug in the module and see. Just thought I’d follow up for you all.

[safecracker]

Thanks for the update.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

The CC has no separate fuse as it is all software controlled by the cluster, VSS, and ECM. You most likely had water shorting out a couple of signal terminals somewhere, maybe even in the handlebar control.

[ATGATTER]

If i understood you correctly - were you riding using Cruise control IN THE RAIN ?

Any vehicle I've ever been on the road driving (2 or 4 wheels) warns NOT to use cruise control in the rain.

I expect that Nanny would get cantankerous and react negatively- even to the point of shutting C/C off

If I'm wrong - somebody out there correct me -Please.


l

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I expect that Nanny would get cantankerous and react negatively- even to the point of shutting C/C off

If you hydroplane Nanny shuts off CC instantly.

[Mike0123]

If i understood you correctly - were you riding using Cruise control IN THE RAIN ?

Any vehicle I've ever been on the road driving (2 or 4 wheels) warns NOT to use cruise control in the rain.

l

Well ... you are the first I think to mention that, but yes. in the rain .. nowhere near a driving rain, but yes it was raining at one point. I checked in the operators manual, and you are correct ... "Never ride with cruise control activated ..... in adverse weather."

[Mike0123]

So ... absolutely no cruise control now. It's already in the shop, so we will see. Whatever was acting up may have completely died. No error codes ... just no cruise control.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Well ... you are the first I think to mention that, but yes. in the rain .. nowhere near a driving rain, but yes it was raining at one point. I checked in the operators manual, and you are correct ... "Never ride with cruise control activated ..... in adverse weather."

" Never ride with cruise control activated .... in Adverse weather " has nothing to do with the electrical or mechanical functions of the device ( due to Weather )..... It's merely a CYA to prevent accidents / loss of control for what you are driving .... Mike My old Toyota van has the same advisement .....

[trikermutha]

They have built in safeties that will turn it self off.

[Mike0123]

Thanks for the input. I’ll keep you updated.

[Peter Aawen]

So ... absolutely no cruise control now. It's already in the shop, so we will see. Whatever was acting up may have completely died. No error codes ... just no cruise control.

What exactly were you doing when cruise control quit?? As trikermutha mentioned (and bluewoo earlier ) they have built-in safeties that will either turn it off immediately (if the Nanny/VSS detects any wheel speed differences, even just a tiny bit of rear wheel spin in the rain on the wet road; the yaw sensor reports an imminent flip or spin; applying the brakes; cornering too hard/fast; etc; etc) or that will prevent it from even engaging in the first place (too high a gear selected for the given road speed/revs; brake pedal still depressed; brake pedal not returning to off position properly; etc; etc...)

So there are things that aren't necessarily failures or even issues that might be stopping your cruise control from working &/or engaging/activating the way you expect it to - telling us exactly what you were doing when your cruise control issues/concerns first occurred & then when it stopped completely juuust might help us identify if any of these things may have come into play??

[spyderdave]

I've never had a problem w/ my cruise, but it's sensitive enough that bumping the (shifter) paddles will disengage it.

[Tonylmiller]

Mine will set but not resume. Trying to bump the switch upwards just cancels the cruise. I assume it is the switch. Where is a good place to get a new switch?

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Mine will set but not resume. Trying to bump the switch upwards just cancels the cruise. I assume it is the switch. Where is a good place to get a new switch?

Sorry, but it's not that simple. The switch is part of the handlebar switch cluster so is not available by itself. Also, the cruise control is all software based with mostly printed circuit board switches and a few mechanical contact switches, for signal inputs. The right side switch connects to the left side switch module, which has a processor board in it and communicates, among other things, the cruise control commands via digital signals over Canbus to the Engine Control module, the Vehicle Stability System, and the Transmission Control Module. Since your Spyder is a 2012 the first thing to do is be brave and open up the right hand switch module and see if you can clean the contacts for the cruise button. If that doesn't work, or you find something broken inside, your best bet is to look for a used switch module.