Interesting news out of BRP on electrification.

[billybovine]

BRP has announced today that they will be introducing electric versions across all their product lines by the end of 2026.

http://news.brp.com/news-releases/ne...K632BUx6IPauPQ

[Darren111]

Most of us knew this was coming, here's hoping for a decent price and range

[MONK]

I'm ok w/"offer" as long as they also offer ICE powered vehicles. The EV grid may be vastly improved in the next (5) years so I'm not saying I wouldn't buy an EV Spyder. Who knows, eh? One of the nice things about a true EV is the torque. You get 100% of the torque from a dead stop (or anywhere else). Great if you ride agressively as I do.

[ARtraveler]

Very interesting. The last paragraph in the announcement is loaded with what I refer to as "weasel" words. A lot of woulda, coulda, maybe yes, maybe no.

Like others have said, for me, it depends on the electrical grid. How much more can it take before collapse. How much is it going to cost to fix. Where will the money come from. Are we going to see gas, or electricity price double or quadruple to make our world environmentally safe? And how about realistic pricing and realistic range. $40K (?????) for a vehicle that will take me a couple hundred miles without needing a charge....if I can find a place to do it (????????).

[milryder]

If they want an early buy in from consumers their marketing department better be planning to issue a map of recharge stations ahead of time. Otherwise I wouldn't consider it due to range or limited routes.

[fatboy]

looks like ryker for the on road

[Saluda]

Not interested.

[BryanSD]

Electric vehicles are inevitable and I think the Spyder/Ryker would be the perfect candidate for BRP to start. If done right, total cost of ownership should be a lot less than current offerings due to lower maintenance needs (no $250 dealer oil changes). For BRP, it's success is going to be highly dependent on range and recharge time. I'm somewhat concerned though that BRP is just starting to ramp up on development considering their competitors current and near-future production in two-wheel motorcycles. If I had the pocket change, I'd buy a Zero SR/S or SR/F motorcycle and maybe with a little arm twisting, the HD LiveWire.

[Little Blue]

Let me see it and test ryde it. Then I will give you an opinion. Cost will be a large part of the equation too.

[EdMat]

If they want an early buy in from consumers their marketing department better be planning to issue a map of recharge stations ahead of time. Otherwise I wouldn't consider it due to range or limited routes.

Now you know in 5 year batteries will be so good you can go a gazillion miles between charges. At least thats whats been promised for the last 20.

[jcthorne]

I am not against electric versions. But what I see as a real problem with the announcement is that BRP is going down the same road that led to the failed BRP Connect system. They are reinventing the technology in house rather than using tech that was developed by much larger companies from billions of dollars in research. BRP has a real 'not invented here' syndrome. GM suffered from this through the 70s and 80s and nearly failed before changing course.

I guess this also means that any lingering hopes we had for a high performance version of the F3 ever coming to market are now down the toilet as well.

All in all a very disappointing press release.

[taxmyzer]

Let's not forget how long till fully charged?

[Dakota Jim]

I'm a retired electrical technician from a power company and no way in hell will I ever buy an electric car or motorcycle after working 37 years with batteries!!! This is all a bunch of crap this global warming bull ----! All it's doing is filling certain peoples wallets. The vehicles might be good for a couple years but after that look out and open up your wallets for repairs. That's all I've got to say.

[Pirate]

Back in 2016 they had a prototype electric Spyder. Got 105 miles before recharge. Even with todays technology, I think they would have to remove or utilize the trunk to hold the required batteries to get a workable model for touring.

[ollicat]

Let's not forget how long till fully charged?

Agreed, when I go on a full day ride or longer, i’m Not waiting 2-3 hours for a “fill-up”

[ollicat]

I'm a retired electrical technician from a power company and no way in hell will I ever buy an electric car or motorcycle after working 37 years with batteries!!! This is all a bunch of crap this global warming bull ----! All it's doing is filling certain peoples wallets. The vehicles might be good for a couple years but after that look out and open up your wallets for repairs. That's all I've got to say.

Finally found a kindred heart

[VLADI]

In Russia, electric cars are almost not sold, (there are a few Tesla dealers in Moscow and St. Petersburg, Jaguar sells 1 model, Audi 1 model, and a little imported from Japan Nissan leaf). The climate in our country is not conducive to this. The network of charging stations is very small, and the prices are higher than similar cars with internal combustion engines. Look at the whole world where 70 percent of electricity comes from coal or oil, what the hell is the ecology?
I have successfully converted my outlander to gas fuel for a long time, there are a lot of gas stations, it is cheaper than gasoline, and it spoils the environment less.

[TerrySpyder]

The big Spyders would be a perfect platform for an electric drive train. I believe the Ryker would be too small.

[PistonBlown]

Like it or not its coming. This year or next will be when electric vehicles are close to parity on price/usability. You'll see an increasing move by people over to non-ice vehicles, and manufacturers are not going to keep making things that aren't selling. A lot of countries have said no to new ICE vehicle sales from 2030 but in reality the sales will be declining well before that as people will not want to buy something that will have no/low resale value. So what this means for petrol is that the demand will drop. Initially this will be great for those with ICE vehicles as the price at the pumps will go down, but how low will it go before it becomes unprofitable for companies to transport/sell?

[VLADI]

I specifically looked in Google where your country produces electricity. Yes, you are lucky only 6 percent get from coal. But not in Europe( USA I don't know but I think it's not so good either) where only Norway almost completely generates electricity through renewable energy sources. The rest of the talk about the fact that cars with internal combustion engines will go into the past utopia for many many years. I think even if such a small country as New Zealand to transfer all transport to electric traction with electricity will be difficult.

[askitee]

I am also hoping they dont shoot themselves in the foot by coming out with a proprietary charge connection where you'll need to bring your adapter with you everywhere to charge it...

[PistonBlown]

I specifically looked in Google where your country produces electricity. Yes, you are lucky only 6 percent get from coal. But not in Europe( USA I don't know but I think it's not so good either) where only Norway almost completely generates electricity through renewable energy sources. The rest of the talk about the fact that cars with internal combustion engines will go into the past utopia for many many years. I think even if such a small country as New Zealand to transfer all transport to electric traction with electricity will be difficult.

Its actually other countries that are making the main moves in electrification. For example the UK has moved the ban on new ICE vehicles in 2030. Bearing in mind the average vehicle age in the UK is 8.2 years you can see how that's going to drive the market soon. EU is even earlier with a proposed ban in 2025, though that's still being argued about so I suspect it will slip further out. Apparently in the UK they have already started rolling out large scale charging stations in preparation for the increased demand. Your right about their lack of renewable electricity, basically it will be moving the problem rather than sorting it.

Some states in the US are also looking at bans from 2030, though obviously that will be a lot more patchy.

New Zealand is going a bit slower with 2032, we also tend to keep hold of vehicles a lot longer than many countries (average vehicle age is 14.4 years). However we do have the advantage that 84% of our electricity is renewable and we're on course for 100% by 2035 even with the forecast increase in demand. There's a lot of infrastructure projects around this at the moment.

Like you mentioned its going to be a problem in countries like Russia where climate is the issue. I remember from when I worked in Antarctica and Finland how much batteries could be impacted by the cold. Not heard of any new battery tech that will solve that.

[Eranical]

Reviving an old thread because of this video that came in my Google feed..

https://youtu.be/a_9b8WBZIHE

Electric motorcycle from can am

[Little Blue]

Well bring your best shot. I hope they can get it done and right. I wish BRP the best. .....

[CloverHillCrawler]

EV's are a pipe dream, According to Pacific Gas & Electric a new electric vehicle on a dedicated circuit could draw 6.6 kilowatts—and up to 20 kilowatts in the case of an optional home fast charger for a Tesla Model S.

Good luck on the grid supporting that. One of the guys at work lives in town houses with common parking and some idiot there installed a charging station in his yard and is running the cable across the street to the common parking to charge his vehicle overnight.

HOA told him no can do. He is now suing the HOA trying to force them to install chargers. Electric company said no can do.. no capacity to support charging in that neighborhood. Lesson learned .. before you buy an EV make sure you have the electrical capacity available to support your charging.

Not sure what this idiot was thinking when he bought an EV and lived in a town house without it's own driveway.