Having a problem getting registered in California.

[ndspyderlover]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

I think he bought out of state for the same reason i did. it was all about the trade. my local dealer did'nt want my trade.

[canamjhb]

No, I don't think that is really the case. The responsibility (blame?) I think rests on California, primarily. Remember the discussion about early and late MY production awhile back? Spyders produced in May, or whatever the time frame is, are labeled early models. Quite possibly, the emissions info on those models was not reviewed and certified by CARB before BRP was ready to put them into the market pipeline. Maybe, and this is just my speculation, since the early 2021s were essentially the same as the 2020s BRP thought the 2020 CARB cert would cover them. And maybe that's what has happened in the past. Who knows, maybe there is a new 'strictly by the rules' head of CARB who kiboshed that old practice. One thing we know for sure, BRP nor CARB will ever clear up the mystery for us.

As I see it it's not a matter of BRP building separate 49 state and CA state models, but a problem of getting a CARB cert in a timely fashion. Without the EO in hand BRP could not push the Spyders out the door as CARB certified, even though the CARB cert causes no changes whatever to the physical machine. The fact that the first digit of the VIN is different between the CARB and non-CARB may be more of a record keeping action and a way to prevent non-CARB machines from having their manufacturing info massaged to make them look like CARB machines.

I think in this case the only difference between CARB and non-CARB machines is the label that is allowed to be affixed to them, and the first digit of the VIN.

I couldn't agree with you more. (See my post #71). I believe the problem is the state of California and has nothing to do with the machine itself. I believe it's the label and unusual bureaucratic process, not the configuration of the bike..... Jim

[jaherbst]

Just got through talking with financial manager Jason at Imotorsport.
They are in process of swapping the vehicle, just need more time.
He added the BRP produced 2 models if the last 10 digit is start with #2 its 50 states complied if its start with #4 except California.(which is mine)
Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am.

Order for the CARB each and every year for each model is mind boggling. CA delayed this and BRP got anxious to ship so shipped with exception to these early models. That being said I Motorsports should have received a "warning bulletin" specific to this shipment. BRP knows full well they ship to all lower 48 states including CA

I know this is aggravating and will take time but some one simply was not doing their job or this would not have happened. I am sure I Motorsports will make good on this as they have no other choice. I do hope for your sake they expedite it.

I tried to deal with them several weeks ago on a 2020 or 2021 RTL. I made inquiries and received some Private Messages about I Motorsports with mixed responses. One buyer who lives 50 miles south of me was shipped the wrong color. IM did make it good after some delay. Others were not pleased and some had very positive transactions.

As some one above pointed out it is a "leap of faith" to purchase several thousand miles away with promises of correct paper work, color and delivery in a reasonable time. Most of this is dependent on how responsible the person or persons you are dealing with. As you know some are and some could care less and simply want the commission and a quick deposit in their Bank Account.

Also each state as you have found out has different criteria for their registration and tax not to mention emissions.

Jack

[jaherbst]

I also bought a new Spyder from imotor and it was a pleasant experience. will buy their again.

Yes but you are not from "Cali" and their way of doing business and "saving the Planet".

Jack

[MRH]

Yes but you are not from "Cali" and their way of doing business and "saving the Planet".

Jack

I've lived in Los Angeles since I grew up, and there is no question that emissions controls made a huge difference in the quality of life here. When I was growing up, there were constant "smog days" and the view was often simply brown. It's not like that anymore, and I like to be able to ride in the clean air of our nearby forests and canyons. It would make more sense if every state kept their emissions as controlled as possible.

[jaherbst]

Purchased 2021 spyder rtl from IMotorsports on 12/20.
California DMV will not & cannot registred due to the Emission level. Precisely said,"Certifed For Sale In All States EXCEPT CALIFORNIA"
(Imotorspors should realized about this since thier sold many of spyder to california, right?)

Anyone have with a similar situation or solutions?

We are all waiting to hear how your registration with I-Motorsports and the state of California worked out. Has it been solved and if so how? We would all like to know.

Jack

[Pirate]

I guess I don't understand why you bought the Spyder out of state. There are lots of reputable dealers all across the state. You know if you buy from one of them they would have registered it for you. Instead you are dealing with a dealer that apparently does not know the laws out here, or they made a huge (to you) mistake. We have purchased 3 Spyders in California with no issues. Just wondering what motivated you to roll the dice?

Have you tried to purchase one now? MSRP for the motorcycle, dealer mark up fees due to Covid (lack of inventory), etc, AND they won't budge one inch on the price. I am looking to purchase my first one thru iMotorsports because the dealer up in Ncal (Spirit) and my 3 dealers down in SoCal (DelAmo, TriCounty, etc.) want to take advantage. iMotorSports is aware of the CA sticker issue and is holding up my purchase until they get it sorted, which is better for me.

[TicketBait]

Just got through talking with financial manager Jason at Imotorsport.
They are in process of swapping the vehicle, just need more time.
He added the BRP produced 2 models if the last 10 digit is start with #2 its 50 states complied if its start with #4 except California.(which is mine)
Imotorsport just received 130 spyders with #4 when they found out they are about return all to Can Am. <----Great info

Not all dealerships show the vin # when viewing new inventory on there website, but Yes every CA. dealership shows the last 10 digits beginning with a "2", Those that do in the other 49 states begin the last 10 digits with a "4"

I looked further and All the Sea to Sky models I found in stock in different states ALSO begin the 10 digit with a #2, so looks like if you find one in a different state it may be compliant, but as others have said or mentioned if Less than 7500 miles, make sure the emissions label reads California or 50 State certified.

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[Supercrawler]

Jason from IMotorsports called me today.
They finally received California version from Can Am It ready to ship out and swap the wrong spyder they sent.
Well,,this is what I been waiting for.
The IMotorsports was very understandable the mistake they made standes for consumers point of view all the way swaped the bike with no question to asked,, Defiantly recommend IMotorsports to purchase the bikes to all my friends.

[porkchop1965]

Just finished reading this whole thing. Wow. I think I need a beer and a nap now. LOL

[canamjhb]

Jason from IMotorsports called me today.
They finally received California version from Can Am It ready to ship out and swap the wrong spyder they sent.
Well,,this is what I been waiting for.
The IMotorsports was very understandable the mistake they made standes for consumers point of view all the way swaped the bike with no question to asked,, Defiantly recommend IMotorsports to purchase the bikes to all my friends.

Thank you very much for posting the resolution. Now we all know about the integrity of a good dealer..... Jim

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Thank you very much for posting the resolution. Now we all know about the integrity of a good dealer..... Jim

From everything I've read on this Forum I'm not surprised they did right by the OP ..... but I'm guessing the salesperson who made the error got " spanked " if not worse ................JMHO .... Mike

[sKiZo]

Meanwhile, me not being in one of the only 7 counties in Ohio to actually require an e-check, ripping off the catalytic converter on my Spyder.

Horsepower? Wondering if I could get away with that on a Ryker 600 ...

** Just basically a piece of straight pipe, right? Here we call them "converter testers" ... <G>

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

From everything I've read on this Forum I'm not surprised they did right by the OP ..... but I'm guessing the salesperson who made the error got " spanked " if not worse ................JMHO .... Mike

From what I read earlier in this thread this might be a case of Imotorsports getting blindsided by BRP sales and shipping. One thing we can count on. We'll never be told for sure who dropped the ball!

[sKiZo]

... and the best part is you didn't have to do battle with the guvmint to git er done. My last encounter with the state was applying for a personal plate that I've had for decades. It had lapsed as I was in the hospitals on and off for about a year after a major wreck. Paid the money to renew, and got a letter a couple weeks later saying it had been denied because somebody might find it offensive ...



Headed back to the DMV, letter in hand, ready to kick some bureaucratic butts, and got lucky. The branch manager agreed it was BS, made a couple calls, and the plate showed up about a week later.

[ARtraveler]

From what I read earlier in this thread this might be a case of Imotorsports getting blindsided by BRP sales and shipping. One thing we can count on. We'll never be told for sure who dropped the ball!

And I am guessing that person will remain nameless.

The bottom line though, Customer and iMoto had a problem, solved the problem, and the customer got what they wanted. This was not solved instantly because governments got involved. They worked through it though.

[Supercrawler]

Thanks all for concerns, thoughts,and advises,

[Supercrawler]

Finally my patience has been paid off.
IMotorsports has delivered my (truly mine) bike today.
I was bit of agony not to ride spyder that I purchased it simply don't feel like it is mine.been parked next to Harley for some time.
Just over 1500 miles since I got early Dec of last year.
Want to add the differences from early 21 model late 21 model are late 21 has the Belt tensioner or damper already installed, and the mirrors are solid no vibration at all,, finaly Brp listened riders complain i guessed.

[AZCanAm]

Congrats. The good news is you're back down to nearly zero miles on your bike and presumably the warranty has been reset. Enjoy!

[Supercrawler]

Yes,Sir,,
The new bike has only 1.7 mile. Enjoy every bit of it for sure.