Purge Valve - Permanent Fix

[DragonSpyder]

If we plug the hose and problem is solved. What is the permanent fix for this issue? My dealer is not going to know what to do so going to them is of no use.

[Lamonster]

Here's your options as I see it.

Now that you know this fixed the problem you can-

A- Let the dealer look at it and determine if it's a stuck valve or a software problem. If it's a stuck valve they can replace it. If the valve is fine then you'll need the new software update that should be out in a week or so.

B- Do like many of us have done and that is remove the evap can and route the vent from the tank to another location and leave the purge valve plugged.

At one time the only State that had a evap can or pair valves was CA. This is a epa thing and will not effect how the Spyder runs. I would recomed option A first.

[nudle]

Thanks Lamont

[barb36jack31]

I did the isolate the cannister trick yesterday. Left the purge valve connected but plugged the hose leaving the purge valve. Bike runs like a scalded cat, no hesitation or surging and seems to be running somewhat cooler. In any event I am a very Happy Spyder Owner. I am going to leave it like it is. The less I have my bike at the tender mercies of the dealer, the better I like it.

I have about 3 mos.left on my warranty, so I wil be on my own before long.

PE# 600

Thanks to Lamonster and all the others for scoping out the problem and coming up with the fix!

[Putt-Putt]

Thanks Lamont

Ditto

[Tripod]

Here's your options as I see it.

Now that you know this fixed the problem you can-

A- Let the dealer look at it and determine if it's a stuck valve or a software problem. If it's a stuck valve they can replace it. If the valve is fine then you'll need the new software update that should be out in a week or so.

B- Do like many of us have done and that is remove the evap can and route the vent from the tank to another location and leave the purge valve plugged.

At one time the only State that had a evap can or pair valves was CA. This is a epa thing and will not effect how the Spyder runs. I would recomed option A first.

Hey Lamont,

Greetings from the left coast.

If you're up for it. How about a How To - Step by Step of item B for us less adept.

Tripod

[burg650]

Today was the first I had a chance to ride my Spyder since I did the software update, been reading about the missing and hesitation and yes it has happen to me. After about a 50 mile ride all highway I hit traffic and it was stop and go for the next 10 miles and never got out of 2nd and it was missing so much I thought it was going to stall (never had this problem till software). I have been reading the by pass valve fix but is it not just a mask for the problem, Lamonster you say a software fix is on the way and if so I guess I will wait for it.

[BajaRon]

Today was the first I had a chance to ride my Spyder since I did the software update, been reading about the missing and hesitation and yes it has happen to me. After about a 50 mile ride all highway I hit traffic and it was stop and go for the next 10 miles and never got out of 2nd and it was missing so much I thought it was going to stall (never had this problem till software). I have been reading the by pass valve fix but is it not just a mask for the problem, Lamonster you say a software fix is on the way and if so I guess I will wait for it.

No, eliminating the Purge Valve eliminates the problem. It is not a patch or bandaid. It is a permanante fix and you don't have to wait and hope for a new update that may or may not do the trick.

[Tripod]

No, eliminating the Purge Valve eliminates the problem. It is not a patch or bandaid. It is a permanante fix and you don't have to wait and hope for a new update that may or may not do the trick.

I need some help here. I've read that you shouldn't disconnect the purge valve (electrics), that will make it throw off error message. You say it should be "eliminated". Some eliminate the canister and some run hoses down and back. Is there anyone who can give an easy instructional? I have an SE5 if that matter. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Tripod

[Dudley]

If we plug the hose and problem is solved. What is the permanent fix for this issue? My dealer is not going to know what to do so going to them is of no use.

I plugged the valve and the Spyder runs so much better, this will probably be my permanent fix. It has more smoothness all around, more power in 5th gear, etc. Just seems like a different Spyder.

[JimAlpha]

Dittoes on the purge valve fix. Runs great! Thanks to all.

[effgjamis]

If you are wanting to replace the Puge Valve, here is the Part Number 709000108 ... My dealer wants 42.49 plus tax and doesn't have one in stock, Maybe 7-15 days to get one. Also I think the price is a bit pricy.

I am going to release the pinched hose from the throttle body and pull the hose from the Evap Can going to the Purge Valve and put a bolt in it.. that would be a better closure as recommened my Lamonster ( Thanks Lamont)

I am still waiting for the update FIX... and it is Sept 15 and almost 2.5 months since the update. Oh well I guess BRP engineers have senior moments as I. It does seem awful strange that as many complaints as BRP has or apparently have received that a fix would be top priority on their list.

Oh well.. Gatlinburg here I come.

[BLACK WIDOW]

I decided to take my purge tank off, plug the hose on the tank side of the purge valve, and reroute the tank vent hose. I don't know that I was having any trouble before, but it just seemed like a logical thing to do. Maybe it will save me some problems later.


Michael

[DragonSpyder]

I'm curious where everyone is routing the vent hose. I have mine routed across the swingarm and coming out next to the belt guard (below rear foot pegs). Looks kinda silly but it does work.

[Pilo]

I'm curious where everyone is routing the vent hose. I have mine routed across the swingarm and coming out next to the belt guard (below rear foot pegs). Looks kinda silly but it does work.

Check my routing up to the rear axle.

Tried to hide the tip behind the rear fender bracket, but due to a storage kink, the hose always jumps out of its hiding place.

Cheers...

[BLACK WIDOW]

I'm curious where everyone is routing the vent hose. I have mine routed across the swingarm and coming out next to the belt guard (below rear foot pegs). Looks kinda silly but it does work.

I actually ran mine forward and came out just to the right bottom side of the radiator. There are some holes already there for the hose to exit and can be secured with zip ties. Seems to work fine. BTW I used a faucet strainer washer with a fine stainless screen on the end of the hose and secured it with silicone rubber.


Michael

[Latemarch]

I actually ran mine forward and came out just to the right bottom side of the radiator. There are some holes already there for the hose to exit and can be secured with zip ties. Seems to work fine. BTW I used a faucet strainer washer with a fine stainless screen on the end of the hose and secured it with silicone rubber.


Michael

Forward was my solution as well.

No problems or smell.

[Pilo]

I actually ran mine forward and came out just to the right bottom side of the radiator. There are some holes already there for the hose to exit and can be secured with zip ties. Seems to work fine. BTW I used a faucet strainer washer with a fine stainless screen on the end of the hose and secured it with silicone rubber.


Michael

Mike:

I like your idea of using the faucet strainer, and it seems that I already found use for one (surplus from a recent kitchen revamp) that has been kicked around the house.

Could you post any pics so as to see how did you make that arrangement at the hose tip?

Thanks and regards

Pilo

[BLACK WIDOW]

[quote=Pilo;143862]Mike:

I like your idea of using the faucet strainer, and it seems that I already found use for one (surplus from a recent kitchen revamp) that has been kicked around the house.

Could you post any pics so as to see how did you make that arrangement at the hose tip?

Thanks and regards

Pilo[/quote

I must apologize for the poor picture quality, but not a good photography angle, laying on my back. I think you will get the idea, its just the 1/4'' hose end slightly is the washer and sealed with silicone rubber. It seems very sturdy and will surely keep the vermin out.
Hope this will help.


Michael

[jabba11]

Well after much delibertion I decided to plug mine today too. I havent had nearly as much coughin and spitting as others but there have been a few times especially in stop and go driving (even in cool weather and I shudder to think what it would have bene like if it were hot becasue that seems to make it much worse) where it was a huge issue. I have only driven it a few miles but I CAN feel a difference in the way it is running. With this much evidence obviously there is an issue here and I am suprised there isn't more of a reponse from BRP.

[Don in E Texas]

This mod works!
Thanks for all the great information presented here on the surge problem. Last week I did the 'fix' - but with all the rain we've been having (17" in a week) I was not able to ride until today. Put about 130 miles on the bike and put it through its paces. Fast - slow - various gears. Could not get the bike to spit/sputter/surge. Runs better than new...

Vent hose is running towards the front, right, side just as Michael has described so well.

don

[effgjamis]

Just a question.... If the Hose from the Gas Tank is routed to front or back without a pea-trap would it not, gas upon fill up full cause a siffon??

Just curiour.

[NancysToy]

Just a question.... If the Hose from the Gas Tank is routed to front or back without a pea-trap would it not, gas upon fill up full cause a siffon??

Just curiour.

Not unless every inch of the gas tank was full. Even then, as soon as the gas was low enough to build a vacuum in the tank, the siphon would stop, since the would be no vent to equalize the pressure.. What you are worried about would only be possible if the vent hose went to the bottom of the tank instead of the top, and the was another vent to atmosphere.

[Latemarch]

Just a question.... If the Hose from the Gas Tank is routed to front or back without a pea-trap would it not, gas upon fill up full cause a siffon??

Just curiour.

And there's a roll-over valve there at the top of the tank that plugs the vent line if liquid fuel hits it.
Even going over bumps with a full tank should not let more than a few drops out of the tank.

[swrafey2000]

I plugged the hose coming out of the purge valve going to the canister and then made a short piece of hose with a plug in it and put it where the purge valve line would go on the canister.The fuel tank still vents through the canister to outside air.