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    The Parking brake didn't work after the purchase. the season rolled back so that while there is time, I want to do it right. The former owner said that he disabled it so that the passenger could not push for the footrest. I disassembled the mechanism today and did not understand what, removed the cable, removed the traction, unscrewed the nut with a key for 30 ( metric system of measures), pull the traction and it turns out to be with the piston together, removed and the brake fluid flowed, put everything back. when turning the rod, the piston is pushed but the disk does not slow down, I do not understand what is missing there or broken. Who disassembled tell me how it should be. The caliper does not understand the spare parts catalogIMG_20201128_211958.jpg
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    Looks to me the arm that the cable connects to is not there. Maybe you took it off?
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    I took it all out. Outwardly, everything looked fine but does not work, the piston collapses and returns, but the disk does not slow down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VLADI View Post
    I took it all out. Outwardly, everything looked fine but does not work, the piston collapses and returns, but the disk does not slow down.
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    I read the other day that you are not suppose to push the rear caliper piston in. It is suppose to be turned to move it in. Maybe some one screwed it up pushing it in. Post #4 in this thread. https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ear+brake+pads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoking1127 View Post
    I read the other day that you are not suppose to push the rear caliper piston in. It is suppose to be turned to move it in. Maybe some one screwed it up pushing it in. Post #4 in this thread. https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...ear+brake+pads

    Read up on adjusting the self adjusting parking brake.
    ( you can not push the rear caliper in, need to use a long needle nose pliers to reduce the piston. ) In the OP the lever that the parking brake cable attaches to is missing. Al in Kazoo

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    Hello Vladi. Over the years, the manufacturer of your Spyder changed the design of the rear brake mechanism a few times. Your 2008 is the first design. You do not need to turn the piston as some have said here. You push it in as you have been doing.

    So first - the parking brake is only mechanical. It does not use the fluid part of the brake mechanism. When the rider pushes on the parking brake pedal, that causes that cable in the back to pull in. There is a lever arm that the cable attaches to that you do not show on your picture. The cable pulls the lever arm forward. That rotates the shaft. The shaft rotating simply pushes the piston out against the brake pads which squeeze against the brake disk and apply the brake. When the parking brake is released, that spring in the back pulls the lever arm backwards. That pulls the piston back in a little and releases pressure on the disc.

    The parking brake does not self adjust. If the parking brake does not get tight enough, you adjust the cable with the two adjusting nuts that hold the cable in the bracket, or you make a larger adjustment by taking the lever arm off and putting it in a different position so that the shaft rotates further. You just try it until you get it right.

    Right now, we don't know the condition of your brake pads either, and we don't know if you have that lever arm because you don't show that in your picture. That might be how the owner disabled the system by removing that arm. Your brake pads might be worn and need replaced, also.

    You probably did not need to remove that big nut and remove the piston. But, it should not be a problem as long as it has been put together correctly. Be sure to bleed that rear brake to get all of the air out after you are done with everything.

    Maybe looking at this YouTube video will help you. It is about replacing the brake pads on your style of brake. It shows all of the parts you should have, including the arm, and how it all goes apart and back together.

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    There's a kit for the parking brake.

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    This is what I was looking for!!!! Thank you very much!!! I have everything in place there, I took everything before the photo. Now I understand the device of the rear caliper. The question in the manual is written there should be a small gap between the foot and the bump, but in the video it is very large. Maybe this is it?рычаг.jpg
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    In your last post and picture your manual is showing a round plastic part that my '08 parking brake assembly does not have. I think maybe you are looking at a manual for a newer model, not an '08.
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    guys, I set everything up. Thank you all for your help, special thanks to snowbelt spyder for the video helped a lot. As a result, the former owner simply adjusted the brake so that even with the pedal pressed out, the piston did not touch the disc. everything is set up now works as it should, I'm happy as an elephant!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VLADI View Post
    guys, I set everything up. Thank you all for your help, special thanks to snowbelt spyder for the video helped a lot. As a result, the former owner simply adjusted the brake so that even with the pedal pressed out, the piston did not touch the disc. everything is set up now works as it should, I'm happy as an elephant!
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    I'm happy as an elephant! That's a novel concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy View Post
    I'm happy as an elephant! That's a novel concept.
    I saw a vid of a young elephant that'd fallen into a well the other day & couldn't get out..... . Now I am just guessing, but from what I could see, I'm pretty sure that he really wasn't very happy when he was stuck in that well!! I hope you are happier than that elephant VLADI?!









    But just going back to the elephant for a bit - the vid went on for a while, and later on in the footage, after they'd brought in a crane & hoisted him out - you could see he was truly a changed Elephant, and I think everyone could tell that he was REALLY HAPPY then!
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    This is an expression in the countries of the former USSR. The elephant is big and it means a lot of happiness, so in Russia they say happy as an elephant! Russian Russian is a very difficult language, we have a lot of metaphors and contradictory expressions that can not be explained to a foreigner even who has learned the language, we must think in Russian.

    Looked in Adelaide now +14 Celsius (57 Fahrenheit) the season does not end in Australia probably never. And we have a -11 Celsius(12 Fahrenheit) have until April and I don't expect the Spyder to ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by VLADI View Post
    ....... Looked in Adelaide now +14 Celsius (57 Fahrenheit) the season does not end in Australia probably never. And we have a -11 Celsius(12 Fahrenheit) have until April and I don't expect the Spyder to ride
    Yeah, we have the other end of that 'too cold to ride' problem VLADI - we've already had a couple of days over 45°C this summer, and it looks like we'll get quite a few more before it's over....


    Anything over about 40-42°C is considered pretty warm here, so many choose not to ride because of the increased risk of dehydration &/or heat exhaustion.... but if it gets much hotter than that (& it DOES!) then the bitumen that is a major part of most of our paved roadways starts to get soggy & melts, and ryding in that makes for a helluva mess - all over the Spyder as well as chewing up the road surface &/or getting bogged in melting bitumen!! Don't laugh, it happens!


    But VLADI, you are pretty close to right about never ending our riding season - across most of Australia, we can & do ride all year round.... even if in some areas we hafta choose the right time to ride! I'm already doing some 'earlier morning' rides, and I might even end up doing my riding in the wee hours, just to avoid too much heat.
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    Each country has its own characteristics)))) The animal world you have is peculiar I would not like to meet many animals))))австралия.jpgавстралия 2.jpgавстралия 3.jpg
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    And i thought dodging a racoon was hard, LOL

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    There is all that.... then there's all the 'faster moving obstacles' like these:

    https://images.app.goo.gl/Hy9H2pzJRcF1CKvZ9

    But at least when there's that many along the roadside (or more!) you can see them & you just might get a chance to slow down.... but be warned, sounding your warning device often scatters them every which way - including in to your way!

    Aaaand then there's those that are just minding their own business, going somewhere miles away & travelling along thru the bush at about 70-ish kph (saaayy, 45 mph or so), covering over 6m/20 feet in a single bound, and you might not even see the 50 odd kg/110 pound Big Red until he lands on your frunk!! And when one of these big guys gets annoyed & turns aggro

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    Have there been such cases? Kangaroos are not aggressive animals at all, or am I wrong?
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    Hmmm, we were originally talking 'Parking Brakes', weren't we?? Then again, it was your thread, and it is clearly of interest, sooo....

    If you're talking about a kangaroo being hit by or landing on the bonnet/hood of a car, yep, that happens WAAAAYY too often - kangaroos just haven't come to terms with cars & trucks etc, or evolved fast enough to learn to avoid the long black strips of bitumen or cleared bush that all the cars & trucks drive along, travelling much faster than any kangaroo - and the moisture that collects along the roadsides when the temperature drops, especially at dawn & dusk, means there's often moisture & sometimes even freshly growing grass there when there's nothing anywhere else, so the kangaroos are naturally attracted to the roadsides, and especially so at the worst possible times for drivers to be able to see them!! So yeah, there are many, MANY 'accidents' involving kangaroos & vehicles every year - some if not most are fatal, altho more often than not, it'll be the kangaroo that dies... but sometimes it's the occupants of the vehicle too! But be warned, if you happen to hit one while driving your car and you don't kill it, then unless you know what you're doing, stay well clear! Even or especially if they are hurt or injured, they can lash out in fear or pain & inflict some pretty serious injuries - or worse! And that HAS happened - not often, but more often than it should!

    However, if you are talking about the big guys getting annoyed, while that's nowhere near quite as common, but still YES, there have been such cases! Sure, kangaroos NORMALLY aren't aggressive, but if they get injured, cornered, or harrassed, they CAN & WILL protect themselves - and they are far more capable of doing that than most expect!! Don't ever let your pet dog chase them, cos unless there's a whole pack of them, any dog without back-up chasing & catching up to/cornering a big kangaroo is quite likely to end up gutted, and in those 'lack of back-up' circumstances, even people can be severely injured! There's been instances where people have approached what they described as 'a cute kangaroo' that was quitely sitting or lying under a tree somewhere, so they were trying to pet it &/or take pictures.... but then they hassled it so much or for so long that the kangaroo simply had enough & lashed out!! And when a kangaroo finally DOES lash out, it's not often a pretty result!

    Just like most wild animals, kangaroos are capable of protecting themselves when driven to it; and once they stop & stand themselves up, at close to 2m tall the Big Red's can be taller than most people, even if they don't often weigh much more than 90 kgs!! Not only are their teeth & jaws designed for eating very short grass & twigs etc embedded in rocks & hard ground (so they are really quite strong) but they are also very capable of inflicting a savage wound... and those back legs are REALLY powerful too - a kangaroo can travel at speeds of up to 70 kph for HOURS & HOURS, and those legs & tail do all the work!! So yeah, if you annoy a kangaroo enough to get it to stop & stand itself up on the very stable tripod formed by both back legs & it's tail, KEEP WELL CLEAR!! Back off, get back in your car - cos you can't out-run them for long, and if they grab you with their front legs/arms & drag you in close (check out the muscles in that second link - that's EXACTLY what those arms are designed to do! ) they can inflict savage bites &/or literally disembowel you with a single kick from one of their back legs & the long 'toe claws' on its tip!! Even if the kick doesn't rip your guts out, a kick from those legs is strong enough to crush bone, so you really don't want to be on the receiving end of one of them!!

    That said, GENERALLY, kangaroos are fairly placid animals & if approached calmly & gently, they might even let you come close enough to touch them & pet them, but like almost every other non-domesticated animal out there, you really don't want to hound them, chase them, or annoy them! If they are injured &/or 'rescued' young enough, they can be brought up as pets (if circumstances don't allow their return to the wild) but it's not recommended and requires a special permit with lots of conditions & rules about the how & where etc; and even then, you need to make sure they aren't hassled or annoyed too much by people & other pets etc or things can get ugly pretty quickly!!

    Australia - as Dorothea Mackellar so eloquently put it in her poem, I love a sunburnt country (with my apologies for the para-phrasing) is ..... a land of sweeping plains, of rugged mountain ranges, of droughts & flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, her beauty and her terror.... and the terror she's referring to there is not only from the vast land itself, but also to the fact that here, we've probably got more creatures that can kill you than most other places on Earth - and even the smallest of our cute & cuddly looking animals juuuust might be deadly or capable of inflicting horrendous pain! So don't be fooled by thinking that any Australian (animal or otherwise ) which might normally seem or even LOOK fairly placid, or even seem to be asleep or maybe stoned right outta it's mind, is all that safe to poke - cos it doesn't really take too much to stir an Aussie up, and you'll never know which one is gonna be the deadly one, until it's too late!

    Aaand while it's been an interesting little diversion, maybe we should get back on the topic??
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    This is very interesting, Peter.
    The theme of the Parking brake I think is already closed, everything that needs to be done and works!
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    Guys, I'll raise the subject. After the winter, I wanted to take a ride, on the dashboard there is an inscription of a malfunction of the brake system. And there are almost no brakes. The rear brake circuit was pumped, but the inscription remained. Tell me the pads when worn out can this be? is there any wear-and-tear sensor?
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    I would start by checking your pads, if the pads are good, check your fluid level, the float in that container is very touchy some times it only take a cap full to make the light to go out! The weak brakes could mean you need to bleed the brake system of air! Good luck hope it helps you!!
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