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Has anyone successfully changed sprockets on the F3 Limiteds?
My friends got the 2019 F3 LTD with Monster Stage 2 tune (yes he should have bought an S) and wants more low end pep. Has anybody successfully changed out the sprocket to no errors?
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Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
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Peter, Show vitodivito how to get intouch with Jase down your way...I've been talking with Jase about the sprocket change challenge...Jase said he thinks he has done this and was going to check it out after his move to his new shop...
I'm pretty sure I remember someone wanting to change their F3 sprockets several years ago and BRP stepped in on their post and said to have their dealer contact them??? (I think)...I know several have tried since that post without success...But the F3's have both options 79T & 89T...So I think its doable with the correct knowledge...Now the RT's don't have that option, so I think they'll be a BIGGER challenge...larryd
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You're right Larry; if anyone can convince the ECU to let a change of sprocket on a Spyder to work, it'll be Jase!
His contact details & a brief outline :
Jason Robertson at 'ECU Xtreme' - that's the label on their Facebook page or you can email him at rotaxracing@gmail.com - Jase has been working on/with Can-Am ECU's for longer than most in the game, and he's generally the 'Go To' man for troubleshooting all the 'unsolvable' ECU & tuning problems for BRP, dealers, & private owners alike all over the World; and he also does a lot of tuning & fine tuning/getting the ultimate in performance for many manufacturer & privately owned competition machines on the World stage too!! These days, you too can access all that knowledge & skill - for a fee of course, and yes, it's not the cheapest ECU tuning there is available out there, but I am convinced that he's forgotten more about this game than most tuners will ever know, and I certainly think that what he does is up there at the top of 'the very best' heap! But then, I have already had his magic worked on my RT - I didn't change the sprocket tho, cos not too many machines have quite the same 'pep' as mine does now!
For those interested, I have no involvement or interest in this company, financial or otherwise; I am simply an extremely satisfied customer who has tried more than just a few of the other ECU tuning offerings who finally learnt about Jase & ECU Xtreme & now that I've experienced his work & support I won't recommend anyone else!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 07-04-2020 at 09:38 AM.
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Thanks guys I sent a message out to him as well as Monster for curiosity sake. I will report back..
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Originally Posted by vitodivita
Thanks guys I sent a message out to him as well as Monster for curiosity sake. I will report back..
You didn't say, but does your F3 NOW HAVE the 79T rear sprocket and you want to change to the 89T for quicker acceleration ???
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Correct it’s a 79. It just doesn’t engage at all like the S does. There’s boatloads of torque but it’s being held down by the gearing and traction control.
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I have a 89t F3-S and wonder what the 79t would feel like...
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Originally Posted by troop
I have a 89t F3-S and wonder what the 79t would feel like...
I'd imagine it would be like starting your F3 S in second gear and running it into a hypothetical 7th gear, it's not exact but close to that.
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Originally Posted by vitodivita
I'd imagine it would be like starting your F3 S in second gear and running it into a hypothetical 7th gear, it's not exact but close to that.
Just like an F3L, although I don't think you ever get to the hypothetical 7th gear on the F3L, maybe a 6.5 gear LOL
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Other than the 79t/89t final drive ratios, I wonder if the transmission/gear ratios are the same between 79t and 89t models? Maybe like driving a lighter weight F3L?
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Right that's a good point, could be the trans too, hopefully I can get some clarification on this.
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Originally Posted by troop
Other than the 79t/89t final drive ratios, I wonder if the transmission/gear ratios are the same between 79t and 89t models? Maybe like driving a lighter weight F3L?
Transmission ratios are the same in all 1330 SE engines built 2014 to present.
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Easy to tell what you have. 79 has three spokes and 89 has six spokes. I have mine offset so it looks like I have 12 spokes on the rear wheel.
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We both know what respective pulleys we have. His friend has a 79t F3 Limited, and I have a 89t 2019 F3-S. My pulley is damn near same diameter as my rear wheel..
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I guess we were lucky without knowing it but our 2016 F3L came with the lower gearing.
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my wifes 2018 f3t has 89t my 2019 f3t has 79t
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Originally Posted by Freddy
That's a good example of BRP's engineering excellence and customer confounding. One wonders why they would do that!
Easy way to increase performance...larryd
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I believe the initial use of the 89t on LTD models was to have the lower gearing for trailer towing purposes..
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Originally Posted by troop
I believe the initial use of the 89t on LTD models was to have the lower gearing for trailer towing purposes..
Then you would have though they would have made it an option on the RT's since many are ridden double and some tow trailers...Plus the RT's are heavier to start with...larryd
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Here is the post from BRPcare about the sprocket changes that I've been looking for...larryd
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...-line-up/page3
See post #75
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Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
And the follow up telling us it didn't work from one of the people who tried to do just that is in the same thread at post #88 - and there are more elsewhere who've reported exactly the same failure; but so far, AFAIK, none who've reported success at changing the sprocket size on any Spyder while retaining the OE ECU!!
Peter, but then on post #89 BRP steps back in asking for more information to sort this out...But nothing else reported after that??? So What Happened??? larryd
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Originally Posted by larryd
Peter, but then on post #89 BRP steps back in asking for more information to sort this out...But nothing else reported after that??? So What Happened??? larryd
Apparently, it didn't work!! At least, his dealer couldn't get it to work & either didn't get the necessary support to make ut do so from BRP, or BRP, Mactim, &/or the dealer just gave up!! Just like seems to have occured for everyone else who's tried to change sprockets so far?!!
I don't really know this, but from the failed attempts I've seen/heard about, I sorta suspect that there are more fields & spots in the computer software suite that actually refer back to the expected gearing/sprocket size somehow than just the one selection/spot BRPCare has mentioned so far, and they do so in such a way that unless it all matches... That current selection seems to ONLY work on those models & in Regions where there is already a choice of sprockets available - ie, Base F3/ F3-S; but even then it works ONLY if ALL of the other computer & tuning options & the respective settings reflect the choices that usually accompany that particular sprocket selection!! So if you have a different model Spyder or are in a different Region (ie, North America vs EU/Aus etc) it either means you need to accept compromises in the basic settings that generally go with your Country/Region across the entire range of software suite controlled settings (ie, amongst other important things, you'll probably find no radio stations that work; get kph not mph on your dash; need different headlight globes & wiring or changes to the control set-up; yada, yada, yada...) OR it takes a whole new & completely Custom ECU to even get the engine to run, and then it's WITHOUT the VSS, ABS, DPS, EBD, etc!!
That said, while I've had some exposure to computer controlled engine tuning & vehicle control software, that was only as an 'educated user' & it was a fair while back too; but I still feel pretty sure that if anyone can sort the 'normal' BRP supplied software suite & ECU to let you successfully change & run the rear sprocket, it'll be Jase/ECU Xtreme, cos that's what he does extremely well!! (Pun intended! )
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