Next Gen Spyder Drvetrain

[AVBIZ]

If you had a say in the next evolution of the Spyder drivetrain which would you pick?

[LifeLongRider]

If you had a say in the next evolution of the Spyder drivetrain which would you pick?

That's easy, a Honda flat six with shaft drive

[Little Blue]

A shorter drive belt and or maybe a drive shaft. This would be above my pay grade. .....

[AVBIZ]

Probably should have included “Electric” options - apologies since I cant seem to edit the poll now.

Administrators- any way to pin the poll up top for a few days? When submitters update the poll it doesn’t send it back up to the top.

Thanks

[Greven]

I choose the increased displacement, since one can never have too much power, but even downsizing to the 900cc in a F3 and instead add a turbo would be a pretty interesting option IMO.

[Rob Rodriguez]

I choose the increased displacement, since one can never have too much power, but even downsizing to the 900cc in a F3 and instead add a turbo would be a pretty interesting option IMO.

I rode the snowmobile with the 900Ace Turbo last weekend. Wow....excellent power rush right from the crack of the throttle.

[spyder01]

/I would choose more power,shaft drive,bigger rear tire,handbrake and dual exhaust.

[ARtraveler]

I voted shaft drive, more engine displacement, automatic transmission.

I see you got the information for posting a poll. RE: question about pinning it to the top. I am not sure that is possible. It will go to the top every time someone posts. You can do a self help by posting the word "bump" or similar at the bottom. That will bring it back to the top again.

[AVBIZ]

I voted shaft drive, more engine displacement, automatic transmission.

I see you got the information for posting a poll. RE: question about pinning it to the top. I am not sure that is possible. It will go to the top every time someone posts. You can do a self help by posting the word "bump" or similar at the bottom. That will bring it back to the top again.

Thanks for the tutelage! I gave up on it last night but tried again this morning after a cup of strong coffee and was successful. Hopefully we’ll see a healthy response rate.

[ARtraveler]

Thanks for the tutelage! I gave up on it last night but tried again this morning after a cup of strong coffee and was successful. Hopefully we’ll see a healthy response rate.

Good subject, inquiring minds want to know, etc. I think your good here.

[SCWSpyder]

I think any drive train change that would up the mileage to 35 or 38 mpg (US gallons) would get my vote. The rear tire life is long enough, I feel a belt is ok even though a shaft is superior (which probably would hurt mileage though). And a 6-cyl Honda engine probably would get worse mileage than the current triple.

[cueman]

I think any drive train change that would up the mileage to 35 or 38 mpg (US gallons) would get my vote. The rear tire life is long enough, I feel a belt is ok even though a shaft is superior (which probably would hurt mileage though). And a 6-cyl Honda engine probably would get worse mileage than the current triple.

I have a Honda F6B with the 6cyl. and I believe it would do much better mpg. Also, it hasn’t been back to the dealerships not once! That’s a big plus with me. cueman

[jcthorne]

Its easy to vote for what we think is the best option but the real question is what are you willing to PAY for a change to what you have now?

I would pay a handsome sum for increased performance. Not so much for shaft drive.
The belt has given very little problems over the years and shaft drive opens a whole new can for very little benefit.

Now a 4 cyl 1600cc engine or a 1300 turbo.....200hp sounds about right ;-)

[AVBIZ]

Its easy to vote for what we think is the best option but the real question is what are you willing to PAY for a change to what you have now?

I would pay a handsome sum for increased performance. Not so much for shaft drive.
The belt has given very little problems over the years and shaft drive opens a whole new can for very little benefit.

Now a 4 cyl 1600cc engine or a 1300 turbo.....200hp sounds about right ;-)

Hah! You would think its easy - anonymous submittal by clicking a button; yet only approx 17% response rate Still interesting though 89% favor a shaft. I like the shafts ease of maintenance and the ability to travel over non paved roads without worry.

[carbonation]

Shaft drive. BRP, please contact, look at, reverse engineer the BMW paralever/cardan.
The R1100RT I rode for years had very smooth manners with almost zero jacking
The Spyder would seriously benefit from more smooth.
https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/di...er-cardan.html

[h0gr1der]

Kind of like the old Cummins in a Ford truck body thing, my take is a Honda 1800 flat engine with the DTC transmission wedged in this thing with a shaft drive would make an absolutely wonderful ride. No rocks to worry about with the belt either!

[cruisinTX]

I voted same displacement with shaft drive.

Would like to have easier to fill tank to the top feature, better fuel efficiency, no wait time from key on to start button active, more aerodynamic windscreen (would help fuel efficiency), higher quality tires from the factory, good stabilizer bar from the factory, power plug on dash instead of in trunk-DUH

edit: same displacement in a turbo diesel.

[Greven]

I voted same displacement with shaft drive.

Would like to have easier to fill tank to the top feature, better fuel efficiency, no wait time from key on to start button active, more aerodynamic windscreen (would help fuel efficiency), higher quality tires from the factory, good stabilizer bar from the factory, power plug on dash instead of in trunk-DUH

edit: same displacement in a turbo diesel.

<gulp!> <inhales morning coffee!>
A Spyder with a DIESEL?
Makes some sence for a commuter or long distance, where fuel economy is relevant, but personally I would never want any kind of bike (2 or 3 wheel) with a Diesel engine.

[cruisinTX]

<gulp!> <inhales morning coffee!>
A Spyder with a DIESEL?
Makes some sence for a commuter or long distance, where fuel economy is relevant, but personally I would never want any kind of bike (2 or 3 wheel) with a Diesel engine.

yep. we're on our second diesel VW car now and know without doubt a properly built and finely tuned small diesel engine has surprisingly good acceleration. Of course the torque per displacement is unmatched by anything in a gas engine of he same size. Possibly the biggest negative to overcome would be the heat; but with some logical thought, I'm thinking that could be easily managed as well. Then you would have a Spyder capable of 60 to 80mpg.

[AVBIZ]

First 24 hour summary:

* Most Popular setup: Shaft/Increased Engine Displacement/Semi Auto Trans
* 92% of respondents would like to have shaft drive
* Riders still like to “go through the gears” with 64% opting for a Semi Auto Trans; although a full Auto Trans has a strong following
* 71% of respondents would like more HP
* Surprisingly only 8% want to continue with a belt final drive

Interesting informal stats. I’ll summarize again in a week. BRP are you listening?

[cruisinTX]

First 24 hour summary:

* Most Popular setup: Shaft/Increased Engine Displacement/Semi Auto Trans
* 92% of respondents would like to have shaft drive
* Riders still like to “go through the gears” with 40% opting for a Semi Auto Trans; although a full Auto Trans has a strong following
* 71% of respondents would like more HP
* Surprisingly only 8% want to continue with a belt final drive

Interesting informal stats. I’ll summarize again in a week. BRP are you listening?

. . . I thought you were serious until that last question

[AVBIZ]

. . . I thought you were serious until that last question

I figured they probably have an intern with scrubbing software monitoring the web for their name. Beyond that - no guarantees

[Wahrsuul]

I don't NEED more power. but I wouldn't mind it.

Belt drive - it's more efficient than shaft and cleaner/quieter than chain so I don't mind it. But alignment and issues with gravel are a tad annoying.

Better mpg? Sure, but my brother's '05 wing gets around the same as my '14 RTS so, we're not far off there, and I have a smaller engine and heavier bike.

transmission - this is my issue. The SE6 feels like a half-way measure, and had I know before hand, I'd have gone for a lower spec RT and added the stuff I wanted. Either let me shift or don't.

[AVBIZ]

That's easy, a Honda flat six with shaft drive

Yep- I Google Honda Neo Wing and Yamaha Niken every couple weeks to see if those OEMs are taking these platforms to the next level and challenge BRP. Be nice if one of them would buyout Tilting Motor Works so you could feel comfortable giving $30+k to a small manufacturer.

[troop]

Has anybody here ever had a belt failure ? Is it a Can-Am thing ? Lots of H-D's and Indian/Victory's with years/miles on belts with low failure rates. And, yes, some serious power with built Harley's having no issues with belts...