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    I guess I am in an enviable position. Just put new "darkside" tires on the 14 in July. I should be good for another two to three years there.

    Just got a new F3. Should be good for a couple years there.

    By then, the testers will have tested and we will know plenty about the new Kenda Kanines. I am going to sit back and watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftCoast View Post
    So I want to take this as good news that will eliminate the hassle of getting a dealer to put on a car tire.

    Questions I have, is Kenda known for making a decent tire of any type (if no it doesn't mean this one isn't good, just not a great indicator) and since it "looks" more car tire spec size does that meant dealers may be more forgiving about putting on a car tire that is rated for the rim than they are now?
    I know in the two wheeled world, you mention a Kenda, you get flogged. One friend of mine said, the only reason I would put a Kenda on my bike is maybe to move to the other side of the garage and take it back off and trash it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBill5491 View Post
    I know in the two wheeled world, you mention a Kenda, you get flogged. One friend of mine said, the only reason I would put a Kenda on my bike is maybe to move to the other side of the garage and take it back off and trash it.
    Kenda does have a definite reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Well I bought the Kanine rear tire since I was due to change mine out anyway. Just got it delivered today.
    Cool! Now you and I can both be the "dummies that bought that crappy new Kenda tire"....or we could be the "early adopters that finally found a nice Kenda replacement". Time will tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by HankD View Post
    Cool! Now you and I can both be the "dummies that bought that crappy new Kenda tire"....or we could be the "early adopters that finally found a nice Kenda replacement". Time will tell
    Dummies??? Heck no. We call them "beta testers."

    I beta tested three different new entries for the Spyder line up. No problems here.

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    Gonna be good hearing about these new Kenda's. I read a lot here about they need huge improvement. mMaybe they are getteing the msg, if so, seems the price is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARtraveler View Post
    Dummies??? Heck no. We call them "Un-paid beta testers."

    I beta tested three different new entries for the Spyder line up. No problems here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HankD View Post
    Cool! Now you and I can both be the "dummies that bought that crappy new Kenda tire"....or we could be the "early adopters that finally found a nice Kenda replacement". Time will tell
    Call us Dummies or UN-Paid Beta testers. I am good with it either way. The tire sure does look good. Guess this riding year we will know for sure. For some reason it looks bigger but its probably me.

    It does say for Special Motorcycle use only on the sidewall. Guess its a disclaimer not to install it on a automobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Call us Dummies or UN-Paid Beta testers. I am good with it either way. The tire sure does look good. Guess this riding year we will know for sure. For some reason it looks bigger but its probably me.

    It does say for Special Motorcycle use only on the sidewall. Guess its a disclaimer not to install it on a automobile.
    You are correct DO NOT USE ON ANY AUTO - period ….. To me their dis-claimer is dis-maying ….. it leads me to think the new Kanine isn't going to be much , if any better than the old Crapenda's …. I hope this isn't the case …… good luck …. Mike

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    I have been following this thread with interest because I was a victim of poor Kenda tires. I am skeptical. If Kenda had confidence in the "new" tire, why then, is it not good enough for automobile use? After all, the Spyders wheels are configured the same as automobile wheels. Looks to me like a case of "rebranding" SOS to try to overcome a poor reputation. Maybe they have improved some. But why not just go with a stronger, better quality tire and not worry about it. Especially when better tires can be had for less money..... Jim
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    I'm guessing that Kenda is being forced to upgrade the tire and mark is as "Motorcycle Use" in order to capture more of the secondary market as best they can.
    Look how many of us have -----EAGERLY----------gone to other brand tires as absolutely soon as possible.
    And don't forget the Slingshot crowd.
    Still, a competing tire, even if it's Kenda can only be a good thing.
    We still have the other alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Call us Dummies or UN-Paid Beta testers. I am good with it either way. The tire sure does look good. Guess this riding year we will know for sure. For some reason it looks bigger but its probably me.

    It does say for Special Motorcycle use only on the sidewall. Guess its a disclaimer not to install it on a automobile.
    In an earlier thread I got "corrected" by a legal beagle grammar police about using the term "Test Pilot" in reference to tires. Even with all the education, this person couldn't make the connection between determining the envelope at your own peril and accepting what has been (marginally) engineered. As with any new item installed on our Spyders that affects drive-ability, approach the extremes with great caution and expect the unexpected.
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    I look at it this way , we have been testing all the car and motorcycle tires on the Spyder for a while now , that have been mentioned for some time now.

    So its either this tire will be great, marginal , bad .

    I just wanted to try something new that had the size tire that was designed for the Spyder.

    Kenda has released the Kanine KR20, the first and only aftermarket replacement tire designed specifically for the Can-Am Spyder. The high-performance pattern of the Kenda Kanine reduces the rolling resistance while maintaining maximum lateral traction, and is engineered with increased siping to evacuate standing water for excellent wet weather performance. The result is a Can-Am Spyder tire that provides higher mileage than stock while offering better handling than passenger car replacements. The Kanine KR20 is mc-spec, DOT, and E-Mark approved.



    So for now I will have to wait till Spring , it will give me time to have it removed and reinstalled .

    Flame on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    I look at it this way , we have been testing all the car and motorcycle tires on the Spyder for a while now , that have been mentioned for some time now.

    So its either this tire will be great, marginal , bad .

    I just wanted to try something new that had the size tire that was designed for the Spyder.

    Kenda has released the Kanine KR20, the first and only aftermarket replacement tire designed specifically for the Can-Am Spyder. The high-performance pattern of the Kenda Kanine reduces the rolling resistance while maintaining maximum lateral traction, and is engineered with increased siping to evacuate standing water for excellent wet weather performance. The result is a Can-Am Spyder tire that provides higher mileage than stock while offering better handling than passenger car replacements. The Kanine KR20 is mc-spec, DOT, and E-Mark approved.



    So for now I will have to wait till Spring , it will give me time to have it removed and reinstalled .

    Flame on!
    I only bought it to see if we could get another 5-page long tire thread.

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    LOL, that should not be too difficult, wonder if they will be on the 2020RTL, bet not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikerbillone View Post
    LOL, that should not be too difficult, wonder if they will be on the 2020RTL, bet not.
    They are not on the 2020 RT. Same ole Kenda that have been used since 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeWheels View Post
    I'm guessing that Kenda is being forced to upgrade the tire and mark is as "Motorcycle Use" in order to capture more of the secondary market as best they can.
    I've said before, I'll say it again. It's to comply with Federal tire regulations. I'm guessing that for some reason they believe designing the tire for the weight of the Spyder has advantages over one designed for the weight of small cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HankD View Post
    I only bought it to see if we could get another 5-page long tire thread.


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    I would think Kenda will discontinue making the old tire. Then when BRP's old tire stock runs out the new tire will be on at the factory. Can only hope.

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    I am skeptical. I believe that generally you get what you pay for. Stock Kenda costs $174. These new better Kenda Kanine tires are $100. They claim more mileage and more traction. How is this possible when the tires are so much cheaper? I could understand from a different manufacturer but the same manufacturer and 60% cheaper...I am going to wait and see before installing them....I hope they are as good as I have read...love to pay less for better.

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    Kenda is also the stock tire for the Polaris Slingshot. A quick reading of some Slingshot boards shows they're not especially happy with Kenda either. Maybe that's partly why Kenda is upgrading its product -- trying to keep what market they've got.

    And oddly enough, I just noticed that Tirerack.com will sell aftermarket tires for the Slingshot. But not the Spyder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveMindi View Post
    I am skeptical. I believe that generally you get what you pay for. Stock Kenda costs $174. These new better Kenda Kanine tires are $100. They claim more mileage and more traction. How is this possible when the tires are so much cheaper?
    Maybe they were way overpriced in the first place compared to similar products. Could have been a cost penalty BRP had to pay for development (which couldn't have been much) and to get a guarantee for continued supply for a low volume product. Keep in mind there were no market guarantees when the Spyder was introduced in 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    Maybe they were way overpriced in the first place compared to similar products.
    I had a chat with my dealership's manager about his tire policy. When I pointed out that a General Altimax cost only $80 compared to $180 for a rear Kenda, and lasts longer, he said that the price per tire and estimated tread life for Kendas was not out of line with premium tires for regular bikes.

    So, in his mind, they were priced about right for the overall motorcycle market. That they are overpriced and short-lived as compared to regular car tires just doesn't register.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Baxter View Post
    Kenda is also the stock tire for the Polaris Slingshot. A quick reading of some Slingshot boards shows they're not especially happy with Kenda either. Maybe that's partly why Kenda is upgrading its product -- trying to keep what market they've got.

    And oddly enough, I just noticed that Tirerack.com will sell aftermarket tires for the Slingshot. But not the Spyder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    I've said before, I'll say it again. It's to comply with Federal tire regulations. I'm guessing that for some reason they believe designing the tire for the weight of the Spyder has advantages over one designed for the weight of small cars.
    And they would be EXACTLY Right! If Kenda would only build a Quality Tire! Here we have a Great idea! Suffering from Terrible Execution!

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveMindi View Post
    I am skeptical. I believe that generally you get what you pay for. Stock Kenda costs $174. These new better Kenda Kanine tires are $100. They claim more mileage and more traction. How is this possible when the tires are so much cheaper? I could understand from a different manufacturer but the same manufacturer and 60% cheaper...I am going to wait and see before installing them....I hope they are as good as I have read...love to pay less for better.
    I used to get these same comments about the Custom Ignition Wire and Spark Plug set I have for the 998 V-Twin Rotax Spyder. They are less expensive than the OEM wire set and people would want to know how a cheaper product could be better than the more expensive manufacture's, as I claimed they were. I always told them the same thing. 'I can double the price if it will make you feel better!'. Sometimes price is based upon actual cost to deliver the product to the customer. Sometimes price has little to do with quality and much to do with what the seller can wring out of the customer. When you have a very limited supply product (like an only source tire), you can charge much more than the item would otherwise be worth.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Baxter View Post
    I had a chat with my dealership's manager about his tire policy. When I pointed out that a General Altimax cost only $80 compared to $180 for a rear Kenda, and lasts longer, he said that the price per tire and estimated tread life for Kendas was not out of line with premium tires for regular bikes.

    So, in his mind, they were priced about right for the overall motorcycle market. That they are overpriced and short-lived as compared to regular car tires just doesn't register.
    Believe me. That dealership manager is not getting paid to have your irrefutable logic register.
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