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    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!

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    Others will chime in shortly I'm sure to tell you the dealer's salesman has it exactly backwards. The OEM tires are 2ply vs 4ply car tires.
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    Was this at a Ride Now dealership?

    You asked for an opinion, easy. Find a better dealer, that may be difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    Was this at a Ride Now dealership? You asked for an opinion, easy. Find a better dealer, that may be difficult.
    I would say find a more knowledgeable sales person. Most sales people know little to nothing about Spyders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    I would say find a more knowledgeable sales person. Most sales people know little to nothing about Spyders.
    My bad, I was under the assumption the service department told him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!
    It is actually just the opposite and the car tires will give you much better wear and handling.

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    Hey Thanks! Yes it was a RideNow dealer, and further troubling it was a service writer that told me. Perhaps to their credit they will mount any car tire I furnish. Not sure but a tire search seems to indicate no balancing is required if you match the “dot” to the valve stem? Thanks again. And maybe I can start an oil thread next?? What’s your opinion of Petron Plus (kidding)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMK View Post
    My bad, I was under the assumption the service department told him.
    In my experience with dealerships of all kinds, the service writers are no better trained than salespeople. At many dealerships, their bonuses are based on service sales volume. So, they make next to nothing off a tire mounting unless they actually sell you the tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Not sure but a tire search seems to indicate no balancing is required if you match the “dot” to the valve stem?
    i made the change to car tires, much. MUCH better ride, and yes, all tires need balanced....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!
    How is it that dealerships like this can stay in business? Because there are an endless number of like minded individuals (customers) who believe what their told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dogs View Post
    How is it that dealerships like this can stay in business? Because there are an endless number of like minded individuals (customers) who believe what their told.
    They stay in business because they are effective at selling product. No mystery there.
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    just another salesman term to justify mandatory selling of the inferior OEM tires from THEIR dealership. i'm glad I have a sensible dealership that will mount a tire that I bring in. AND sensible service labor costs.

    ANYONE who says they can't mount a car tire, cause its not OEM, or insurance for reasons, its just them making up what they want to say. just find and read the millions of posts about car tires on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    They stay in business because they are effective at selling product. No mystery there.
    Yep, regardless of honesty or knowledge.

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    yes most info is good but sometimes you have to weed thru the B/S And the dog piling on brp and dealerships

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    So your service writer told you that aftermarket tyres were not functionally as good as the Kendas, but they were quite happy to install a tyre that was functionally worse than the OEM? There is something seriously wrong with either that individual, or the dealership. The only plus is that there are so few dealerships that offer that service, that it may be worthwhile using them, but watch everything they do, very, very closely.

    p.s. I have never balanced my aftermarket car tyres (my tyre guy said they are so close to perfect these days that as long as you align the dot they are well balanced......but bring it back if you do feel a wobble). I have had zero issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!
    I strongly agree with the above posters …. IMHO you are being SCAMMED or worse if they really believe what you were told. Myself & Peter Aawen have Actual training in all aspects of tires so we are as close as this gets to being Experts on the subject. …. We will be happy to answer any questions you might have …. good luck …. Mike

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    All responders thank you. Have not been here long but I feel the level of expertise is light years ahead of my local dealership “brain trust.” And thanks for the offer to help Mike.

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    I thought the red dot went opposite of the valve stem?
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    Car tires have a stiffer sidewall then bike tires

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    Thanks all for input!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wahrsuul View Post
    I thought the red dot went opposite of the valve stem?
    The red dot is to mark the highest point of radial runout. If your wheel is marked for radial runout, you could use that to mount the tire. Most of the tires are mounted using the yellow dot, which is the lightest point, by weight on the tire. The yellow dot goes at the valve stem hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCWSpyder View Post
    Hi All! New spyder owner-to-be. Comment/Question: first dealer visited told me car tires have softer sidewalls which have a greater “roll under” than the stock tire which thereby makes the “electronic nannies” come on sooner (computer senses change in tire dimension thereby applying brakes) especially on a curvy road. So his opinion is they fit but are not functionally as good. I’d like an opinion as all local dealers are affiliates of the same org. Thanx!
    I could be wrong, but I was under the impression the nanny used G forces to sense when the cornering speed was too high. In the case of G-forces, the sensor would not be affected by the tires at all........ only G-force of the turn.
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