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01-04-2020, 08:58 AM
#101
30 years of satellite alignment experience getting in the way of my understanding this.
3mm is a distance and not an angle. It is a different angle depending on the length of the baseline or wheel diameter if you like. Please supply the necessary baseline length for this to be meaningful or express it in degrees.
Eckhard
Spyder RT Ltd, 2011
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01-04-2020, 09:12 AM
#102
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Eckhard
30 years of satellite alignment experience getting in the way of my understanding this.
3mm is a distance and not an angle. It is a different angle depending on the length of the baseline or wheel diameter if you like. Please supply the necessary baseline length for this to be meaningful or express it in degrees.
270mm vertical leg (long leg) of the right triangle, hypotenuse length is not critical, merely provides the intersection point for the short leg length. Could be horizontal in your case as you are looking down to sort toe setting.
in post 84, I had a full chart of camber degrees to linear dimension corrections. I dumbed it down a bit as there may have been too much info for readers.
The post 84 info works whether the triangle leg is vertical or horizontal. Vertical is camber, horizontal is toe.
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01-04-2020, 09:19 AM
#103
I did the same thing and it works great.
2018 Spyder RT Limited SE6
2013 Spyder RTS SE5
2004 GOLDWING
2012 Suzuki Burgman
2001 Honda Silverwing
1999 Honda Helix
1976 Goldwing
1982 Honda Silverwing
1972 Honda 500 four
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01-04-2020, 09:23 AM
#104
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Eckhard
30 years of satellite alignment experience getting in the way of my understanding this.
3mm is a distance and not an angle. It is a different angle depending on the length of the baseline or wheel diameter if you like. Please supply the necessary baseline length for this to be meaningful or express it in degrees.
0° +/-0.2° in the 2013 service manual. Probably still the same for latest models. The area of strong disagreement between all the alignment folks here and BRP is the fact that you can have some toe-out and still be in spec. Experience has shown that any toe-out is detrimental to steering.
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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01-04-2020, 09:25 AM
#105
Originally Posted by Jetfixer
I built the same system as Jetfixer and it works great
2018 Spyder RT Limited SE6
2013 Spyder RTS SE5
2004 GOLDWING
2012 Suzuki Burgman
2001 Honda Silverwing
1999 Honda Helix
1976 Goldwing
1982 Honda Silverwing
1972 Honda 500 four
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01-05-2020, 01:09 PM
#106
Active Member
Dean Secord AKA seaweed
Veteran: U.S. Air Force
2015 RT-S SE6
My Mods:
TricLed Turn Signal, Squared Away Sept, 2016,SpyderPops Bump Skid, SpyderPops Missing Rock Guard, ION camera, Show Chrome Back Rest,
Show Chrome Hitch. Leesure-lite trailer, Hopnel 850 Saddlebag Liners, Hopnel 3 piece lid netset - trunk and saddlebags
Magic Brake Strobe/Flasher, DIY LED light strips on upper and lower A frames, BlueKnight911 Magic Mirrors,
DIY superior grill, USB port, Hwy pegs, DIY Flag mounts for USA and US Air Force flags,
Method to open Frunk and seat without using key, LED headlights and LED fog lights, turn signal switch safety mod
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01-05-2020, 01:20 PM
#107
Active Member
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
Here are three bits of the factory prescribed procedure from the 2013 RT service manual. The first two deal with locking the handlebar.
These instructions aren't in the 2014 service manual but I think that's because the 2014 manual was more or less an addendum to the 2013 manual. Another instruction I have here is the factory method calls for the shocks to be replaced with alignment links during the alignment process. That indicates that BRP does not regard variations in toe-in caused by rider weight, etc., to be significant enough to be accounted for.
Thanks IdahoMtnSpyder, I did not see this in my 2015 manual (but I have not read it completely from front to back). I have witnessed a few + alignments but have not seen using that measurement method for handlebars nor locking of the of the handlebars using a Pitman arm locking tool.
I had a brief conversation with Spyderpops one time and he said that the measurement method of aligning the handlebars should be used and he hinted of setting the toe in based on the weight of the ryder.
Dean Secord AKA seaweed
Veteran: U.S. Air Force
2015 RT-S SE6
My Mods:
TricLed Turn Signal, Squared Away Sept, 2016,SpyderPops Bump Skid, SpyderPops Missing Rock Guard, ION camera, Show Chrome Back Rest,
Show Chrome Hitch. Leesure-lite trailer, Hopnel 850 Saddlebag Liners, Hopnel 3 piece lid netset - trunk and saddlebags
Magic Brake Strobe/Flasher, DIY LED light strips on upper and lower A frames, BlueKnight911 Magic Mirrors,
DIY superior grill, USB port, Hwy pegs, DIY Flag mounts for USA and US Air Force flags,
Method to open Frunk and seat without using key, LED headlights and LED fog lights, turn signal switch safety mod
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01-05-2020, 06:30 PM
#108
Very Active Member
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01-05-2020, 08:02 PM
#109
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by seaweed
2 ply crapola tires
I think you meant to say "Krapenda", right?
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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