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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerTN View Post
    I don't think so. The key from one bike will not fit/work in the other. Not sure if a good locksmith could do this or not. What I know for sure is that the chip/dess module will not cause me anymore issues in either bike. The 2015 never did show an error message,but as long as I was in Maggie Valley I figured best to have it disabled .What I can not understand is why the dealers do not have the advanced buds software to disable the dess. Seems as if a lot of Spyder owners did buy it. Not a fan of the dealers.

    Yes with the DESS disabled there is no chip to read. That is how you can use the ILCO key
    and have it cut for a spare key

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    … as to why dealers don't ( 99.99% ) dis-able DESS is because BRP would have a Conniption if dealers were dis-abling the anti-theft DESS module. BRP touts it as a wonderful feature. ( I don't agree ). Also the dealer would have to pay for the special BUDS program, that enables it to be dis-abled …… Mike

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    Can the Dess be disabled on the older models? I've had my Dess module and key reader changed while NOT under warranty. Don't want to pay for it again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by daz View Post
    Can the Dess be disabled on the older models? I've had my Dess module and key reader changed while NOT under warranty. Don't want to pay for it again!
    2014 to current can be disabled. All models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by splake0 View Post
    Could you have had both bikes keyed alive with no DESS?
    YES. Once DESS is disabled, the ignition cylinder can be rekeyed to match the existing key for another spyder. Its a bit of work to remove the cylinder to do it but it could be done. Removing the cylinder would need to be done by a competent Spyder mechanic and the rekey done by a locksmith. Likely this will be two different persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    … as to why dealers don't ( 99.99% ) dis-able DESS is because BRP would have a Conception if dealers were dis-abling the anti-theft DESS module. BRP touts it as a wonderful feature. ( I don't agree ). Also the dealer would have to pay for the special BUDS program, that enables it to be dis-abled …… Mike
    Did you mean Conniption?

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    Don't ya just hate autospell My wife and would have simultaneous " Conniption fits" if our DESS unit failed in the middle of nowhere Nevada. So------- I replaced the DESS with the newest version and its been ZERO problems . Nobody out west will disable the DESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    Don't ya just hate autospell My wife and would have simultaneous " Conniption fits" if our DESS unit failed in the middle of nowhere Nevada. So------- I replaced the DESS with the newest version and its been ZERO problems . Nobody out west will disable the DESS.

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    I checked with them last summer when I had the alignment checked on my . They have BUDS but not the master edition. BUT----things may have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    YES. Once DESS is disabled, the ignition cylinder can be rekeyed to match the existing key for another spyder. Its a bit of work to remove the cylinder to do it but it could be done. Removing the cylinder would need to be done by a competent Spyder mechanic and the rekey done by a locksmith. Likely this will be two different persons.
    If the ignition in the second Spyder is rekeyed to use the same key, there is nothing to prevent programming the same key into the DESS of both bikes, is there? Wouldn't the key profile be independent of the key code, or are they tied together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splake0 View Post
    With the DESS disabled there is no chip to read? Am I correct on this? If I am correct then they should be able to key the bike with the same key (alike).
    I had the DESS error happened twice in 2015, ( also I started a thread about the DESS errors that I had) the second time the DESS error occurred the dealership reprogrammed the keys, and installed a the second DESS module( which was under warranty).

    I have a 2014 RTS-SE6,both times the DESS module was replaced under warranty. Since then I have not had the DESS error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    If the ignition in the second Spyder is rekeyed to use the same key, there is nothing to prevent programming the same key into the DESS of both bikes, is there? Wouldn't the key profile be independent of the key code, or are they tied together?
    You understand correctly. This could also be done. But if I was in BUDS for programming keys, its much easier to just turn DESS OFF. Then there is no failure to worry about.

    But yes, one key could indeed be programmed to 2 different bikes if the lock cylinders were keyed the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    But yes, one key could indeed be programmed to 2 different bikes if the lock cylinders were keyed the same.
    Which would be a feasible approach, although not quick, easy, or cheap, for someone who wants to key two or more bikes alike and does not have ready access to someone with a Megatech BUDS.

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