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    Default What experiences have you had with Lithium Batteries?

    What experience have owners had with Lithium Batteries? Are they better? do you need a battery maintainer for them? Does it need to be a special maintainer?

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    I was told by some experienced people that I trust, not to go with a lithium. Granted, there have been some issues with them. But being the kind of guy I am, I didn't listen to them. This is the battery I got and I am EXTREMELY pleased with it. I think it is awesome!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.

    There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaRon View Post
    I was told by some experienced people that I trust, not to go with a lithium. Granted, there have been some issues with them. But being the kind of guy I am, I didn't listen to them. This is the battery I got and I am EXTREMELY pleased with it. I think it is awesome!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.

    There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Ron, How long have you been using this battery in your ride, had any issues??
    re-read?

    Quote Originally Posted by BajaRon View Post
    I was told by some experienced people that I trust, not to go with a lithium. Granted, there have been some issues with them. But being the kind of guy I am, I didn't listen to them. This is the battery I got and I am EXTREMELY pleased with it. I think it is awesome!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.

    There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Ron, How long have you been using this battery in your ride, had any issues??
    I've been running this battery since March of this year. About 6 months. Zero issues. Though I had zero issues with my previous AGM battery until it gave up. The lithium has a number of advantages over the AGM. Weight, (substantial difference. (I think it was 17lbx down to 3), CCA is much higher, (Don't remember the difference there). Smaller so it isn't such a tight squeeze. Previous AGM batteries swelled a bit when they went bad and were difficult to remove. I really like it.
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    Will this fit with no hassle? Terminals etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tekslk View Post
    Will this fit with no hassle? Terminals etc?
    What battery in which post are you referring to? It helps a lot if you quote the post you are specifically responding to. (You can use the Reply with Quote button down the bottom of the applicable post to do this.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaRon View Post
    I was told by some experienced people that I trust, not to go with a lithium. Granted, there have been some issues with them. But being the kind of guy I am, I didn't listen to them. This is the battery I got and I am EXTREMELY pleased with it. I think it is awesome!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    It is much smaller than the OEM battery so I don't have to wedge it into the very tight space allowed. It weighs almost nothing and delivers more power than the OEM battery. Lithium is supposed to last longer too. Have only had it for 6 months so can't say there.

    There isn't anything special you need to do for it except you'll need a good Lithium battery charger. Do not use a charger that is not designed for lithium batteries.
    My wife has the MMG Lithium battery in her 2018 F3L. Going on 5 yrs old still working strong
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    I've had a LiPo battery in my old, slow V-Max for 7 or 8 years. Weighs nothing, works every time. I do have the proper charger though. I had thought about one for my but got a regular battery instead as previous discussion on this site was not too positive.

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    I don't understand. If the LiPo battery needs a special charger, how does the vehicle charging system designed for a conventional battery work ?
    If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeWheels View Post
    I don't understand. If the LiPo battery needs a special charger, how does the vehicle charging system designed for a conventional battery work ?
    If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
    This explains some of the questions. I think it's just a matter of time until vehicles switch to lithium batteries. The cordless tool industry has made the switch and they seem to be a huge improvement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenic View Post
    This explains some of the questions. I think it's just a matter of time until vehicles switch to lithium batteries. The cordless tool industry has made the switch and they seem to be a huge improvement.


    https://enerdrive.com.au/2017/11/29/...-acid-charger/
    Thanks for fixing the link, I now understand.
    So if I read this correctly, NO, you cannot use a LiPO battery with a charger designed for lead acid batteries.
    Since most common vehicles (maybe airplanes are excluded) use lead acid batteries, switching to LiPO will require changes to the alternator/voltage regulator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeWheels View Post
    I don't understand. If the LiPo battery needs a special charger, how does the vehicle charging system designed for a conventional battery work ?
    If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
    A conventional charger won't charge above 13 volts typically and usually less, like 12.6. A Lithium charger will go to about 14.2v, which is what it takes to fully charge a lithium battery. Your onboard charging system will take it to about 12.8, which is enough to keep the electronics lit and replace the energy lost to the starter motor.

    For best results from a lithium battery, keep it on a maintainer designed for lithium.

    You can 'jump' it with anything that will power the starter motor (12 volts), but remember to charge it up properly with a lithium charger first chance you get, or you're going to lose the benefit of having a lithium battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    A conventional charger won't charge above 13 volts typically and usually less, like 12.6. A Lithium charger will go to about 14.2v, which is what it takes to fully charge a lithium battery. Your onboard charging system will take it to about 12.8, which is enough to keep the electronics lit and replace the energy lost to the starter motor.

    For best results from a lithium battery, keep it on a maintainer designed for lithium.

    You can 'jump' it with anything that will power the starter motor (12 volts), but remember to charge it up properly with a lithium charger first chance you get, or you're going to lose the benefit of having a lithium battery.
    Always maintaining a Li-ion battery in a fully charged condition will shorten its lifespan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BajaRon View Post
    Always maintaining a Li-ion battery in a fully charged condition will shorten its lifespan.
    So how your mmg battery have done all this Years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThreeWheels View Post
    I don't understand. If the LiPo battery needs a special charger, how does the vehicle charging system designed for a conventional battery work ?
    If the battery is dead, can you jumo it using a conventional jump pack or jumper cables to another vehicle ??
    Here you go...https://www.optimabatteries.com/expe...pecial-charger

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    This inquiring mind wants to know. If a Lithium-Ion battery can be put in a Spyder and the alternator keeps it charged, why can’t an alternator be put into an all electric car such as a Tesla rather than having to plug into an electric outlet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER View Post
    This inquiring mind wants to know. If a Lithium-Ion battery can be put in a Spyder and the alternator keeps it charged, why can’t an alternator be put into an all electric car such as a Tesla rather than having to plug into an electric outlet?
    Tesla and just about any fairly new Electric golf carts have had regenerative braking, which is where when the car goes downhill they use the momentum to generate electric which is then fed back into the main battery. An alternator used to charge the battery while driving would have to be the size of a doghouse to keep up with those batteries, it actually would be like creating a perpetual motion machine which is not possible yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER View Post
    This inquiring mind wants to know. If a Lithium-Ion battery can be put in a Spyder and the alternator keeps it charged, why can’t an alternator be put into an all electric car such as a Tesla rather than having to plug into an electric outlet?
    Something has to turn the alternator in order to generate electricity. In a gas engine vehicle it's the engine that does that. An all electric like the Tesla has no engine to turn the alternator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    Something has to turn the alternator in order to generate electricity. In a gas engine vehicle it's the engine that does that. An all electric like the Tesla has no engine to turn the alternator.
    Umm, I'm pretty sure the tesla motor turns the drive wheels so it could probably turn an alternator! Turning an alternator is the least of the problems!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamSpade66 View Post
    Umm, I'm pretty sure the tesla motor turns the drive wheels so it could probably turn an alternator! Turning an alternator is the least of the problems!
    You could, but why would you? You'd simply be using electricity from one on-board source, the battery, to generate electricity to be used in some other on-board device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKMSPYDER View Post
    This inquiring mind wants to know. If a Lithium-Ion battery can be put in a Spyder and the alternator keeps it charged, why can’t an alternator be put into an all electric car such as a Tesla rather than having to plug into an electric outlet?
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    Something has to turn the alternator in order to generate electricity. In a gas engine vehicle it's the engine that does that. An all electric like the Tesla has no engine to turn the alternator.
    Tesla's do not have alternators. Here's why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np1Ixd7FWzI It's a 20 minute watch, but it's your time if you choose to learn. Jeremy Fielding is an excellent teacher!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrogmanDave View Post
    Tesla's do not have alternators. Here's why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np1Ixd7FWzI It's a 20 minute watch, but it's your time if you choose to learn. Jeremy Fielding is an excellent teacher!
    He has another one that deals with airplane tires. He does a bit of comparison between a car, truck and airplane as far as construction and the need for different tire pressures. Some Spyder riders might benefit from watching it.

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    Thanks for the info. So using a Lithium-Ion battery in a Spyder would be constantly charged by the 1330 alternator? And the alternator would not over charge or harm the battery? Also, I guess a Lithium-Ion charger would not be needed as long as the Spyder was ridden year round?
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    This subject has been around for sometime. I know that on the Twins those batteries did not fare well and they were not recommended by many. Now on the newer engines like the 1330, 900 and 600 they may work well as they are easier to start with less of a load. On the Rykers there is the added advantage of not having the DPS that is a heavy drain on the battery. Have not heard much on thier use on the newer engines but would imagine they will perform well. Just need to support them with some spacers in the battery box area....
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